Most Democrats think "Medicare For All" means they can still keep their plans

https://www.kff.org/health-reform/poll-finding/kff-health-tracking-poll-june-2019/



Are you all reading that? 68% of Democrats think they get to keep their plans if Medicare for All is adopted.

 

Bernie’s plan does allow for additional private coverage above what Medicare offers.
I think the smart play is to make Medicare available to everyone but still give people the option of private plans.

 

yes... yes, because, "some animals are more equal than others".

 

I have a buddy in Canada who gets his coverage from his employer. Contrary to what many believe, medicare for all doesn't eliminate private sector insurance, medicare for all means the option to use medicare is available for every citizen. Every first world country in the world with single payer healthcare has a private option

 

Which means the socialized medicine sucks. That's why they allow for private insurance. So, the people who can't afford good quality private health insurance have to have the crappy socialized medicine. Good to know.

 

Since when do you care what kind of insurance poor people get?

 

Another misconception about single payer healthcare, it is NOT socialized medicine(socialized medicine would mean our hospitals are socialized), it is an option to use a health insurance plan that is socialized. Socialized insurance would be a more accurate description, but even then so the option to use private insurance is not eliminated

It's by no means a perfect system, but at the end of the day their coverage is above 99% (ours is only 91%)their life expectancy exceeds 80 years old (ours is only 78.) no one goes bankrupt from healthcare expenses (healthcare expenses are the number one cause for bankruptcy in our country), and they spend about half per capita for their healthcare than what we spend on our healthcare.

 

Because I have to pay for it. I don't want to pay for other people's stuff.

 

So, single payer is "not socialized medicine," but rather "an option to use a health insurance plan that is socialized"????

You just contradicted yourself.

 

Again, single payer is cheaper than our current healthcare plan. It wouldn't cost you money, it would save you money. Also, single payer healthcare is not socialized medicine

Socialized medicine is when the hospitals are socialized. The VA would be an example of socialized medicine, that is not what single payer healthcare is.

 

So instead of giving the poor “crappy socialized” care, you’d give them nothing lol

 

Leftist healthcare plans aren't about lifting the poor up and giving them quality healthcare.

Leftist healthcare plans are about dragging everybody down, the poor included, and giving them all crap medical care.

Leftists are all about equality for everyone- as in, equally as crappy for everybody.

 

I'd give them the crappy-yet-adequate clinic-based healthcare, rather than allowing them to overwhelm a quality healthcare system, and drag it down to a level of crap for everyone.

 

The holes in MediCare coverage are disgusting.

Why a separate drug plan, for example?

I have Plan F for Medical and a high deductible Drug Plan.


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No, it doesn't. Here is a well written article on Bernie's plan.

https://www.vox.com/2019/4/10/18304448/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all

 

Americans are fatter and sicker than ever. Until we stop subsidizing what is making us sick, no amount of money can fix things.

 

Medical Insurance isn't worth a darn if you cannot get in to see a doctor.

Pray tell HOW are we going to make sure that there are adequate medical professionals and facilities available to handle this "Medicare for All" vote buying scheme???

 

What you were responding to is actually pretty conservative: you're guaranteed a certain level of health care, but beyond that, you're on your own.

 

I'm sure it would be phased in over years and would include incentives for encouraging more people to go into med school.

 

What are we subsidizing? You mean like the corn subsidies that make all the corn syrupy crap? I'm totally with you on that one if that's the case.

 

His plan says it allows it, but perhaps the devil is in the details

 

Not True.
Tobacco was bread & butter for health care providers. Like high blood pressure.
And then of course all the catastrophic of tobacco such as malignancies, COPD, cardio vascular, etc.

 

Yes, that is one example. Once illness shows up, we then subsidize the drugs that mask the symptoms so that they may continue their unhealthy habits.

 

Most Republicans don't realize they haven't saved enough money to cover medical costs in retirement. Surprise!
Hope you got at least $300,000 set aside just for medical and health insurance plus the million or so for other costs.
But of course, the average is about $70,000 in retirement funds. Reality for the baby-boomers is just starting to hit home.

 

No it is to give people a base level of care. The people that cannot afford care would rather have the option of going to the doctor vs not going to the doctor (or losing their life savings if they do), wouldn’t you agree?

If nationalized healthcare is so crappy why do their systems beat ours in just about all metrics?