Trump approves strikes on Iran, but then abruptly pulls back

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  1. MolonLabe2009

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    Trump hasn't gotten us into any new conflicts or wars.
     
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    He did strike Syria twice, arm the Saudi's, armed Ukrainian rebels, involved in meddling of Venezuela, increased drone strikes 432%.

    When he said he we were getting out of Syria, he caved to the establishment, and guess what, were still there!

    When he said we would get out of foreign wars, and congress passed legislation to end the US's involvement in Saudi's war in Yemen, he vetoed it. Perfect time for him to fulfill a campaign promise and he didn't do so. Most likely because he and Jared have deep financial ties with the Saudi's.

    He is not anti-establishment, he is the establishment and just another phony, and I say this as a free-marketeer.
     
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    That 432% comes from a fricking blog for God Sake.

    Get back to me with actual numbers from a legitimate source.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And I pity anyone that thinks so highly of themselves they reject the Creator of all things.
     
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    Israel has mosques within it's borders. America does too. All Muslim Countries persecute and do not tolerate Christianity or Judaism. That speaks enough for me. Iran spends money on terrorism rather than food and medical treatment for it's citizens. Obongos agreement with Iran allowed for no verification. He was a fool (or a wolf in sheeps clothing).
     
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    So what have you suggested? Should we have retaliated as Bolton desired or should have Trump called it off after reconsidering (as he did) Damned if you do or damned if you don't.
     
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    I say. Looking good for your team old man. Chuffed, eh what? It is just going to be so hard to decide: Crazy Joe, Bernie, the fake Indian, the Fruitcake, or Booker T?
     
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    I guess you prefer Dirty Don, or Don the Fat.
     
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    ''President Trump had approved at least 36 drone strikes or raids in 45 days—one every 1.25 days.”

    That’s an increase of 432 percent.
     
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    That's from a fricking blog.

    Provide a legitimate source.
     
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    I dont need a sky elf as creator. Your creator is a joke.
     
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    Wrong. The threats, the lies, his general conduct.
     
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    The irony of your statement is breathtaking.

    America spends money on the military rather than food and medical treatment for its citizens.
     
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    America allows citizens the freedom to buy food and medical treatment for themselves. We have more jobs than unemployed. You sound as though you feel government provides for its citizens cradle to grave.
     
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    I was pointing out the irony of your post. You criticise the Iranian government for not spending money on food and medical treatment for its citizens. Frankly, I don't know whether or not that is true. But I do know that America does exactly the thing that you criticise Iran for.
     
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    When it is a fact that Iranian Citizens cannot provide for themselves and government confiscates $ for terrorists actions.....that in no way compares to America which points out the irony of your post.
     
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    You're going to have to prove that Iranian citizens can't provide for themselves. Iran has the eighteenth largest economy in the world by purchasing power parity (a good indication of whether people can provide for themselves).
    To the extent the economy is suffering, that is due to Trump imposing sanctions.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Iran

    And its health care system is ranked 30th in the world in efficiency. Ahead of good ol' USA.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Iran

    The Iranian government confiscates money for terrorist actions in the same way the American government confiscates money for its military (which some people would say engages in terrorist actions).

    I am not pro-Iran. I would like to see them NOT support terrorism. But the nuclear deal did result in them reducing their capability of making a nuclear weapon. Trump has undermined that. The best way to bring political stability to a country is to bring economic prosperity AND to distribute that prosperity to as wide a group of people as possible. When people have comfortable lives, they don't want to mess with that.

    Trump is making the situation in Iran worse. Not better. He is responsible for the current escalation in tension.
     
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    Don't the Iranians? There is a massive amount of Americans who live in poverty or just above.
     
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    They also know that most Democratic politicians in America today are internationalist not nationalist and will appease any country and its people that is not the USA.
     
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    No it does not, the footnotes on the bottom show links to credible sources with information from AirWars, from the Daily Beast, and others.
     
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    I think its as obvious to other nations as it is here.
     
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    "all Muslim countries" persecute and do not tolerate." Are you sure about that?

    Actually Islam during the 8th to 14th centuries was very tolerant of other religions. Islam kept math and sciences alive while Europe was grubbing in the dark ages. Even Palestine before the creation of the state of Israel allowed Jews to live mostly safe comfortable lives at a time the were being persecuted all across Europe especially Germany and Russia.

    It was really not until the crusades and the modern era of exploitation of arab lands that Islamic extremism really became what it is today.

    Iran does not spend more money on terrorism than food. The largest state sponsor of terrorism is US ally Saudi Arabia.
    The agreement Obama negotiated along with 4 other members of the UN security council allowed for verification of enrichment at Iran's nuclear facilities and allowed for further negotiation once the term of the agreement was over. By unilaterally violating the terms of the deal the US has sole responsibility for creating the situation we find ourselves in at the moment.

    If you really understood your government or more correctly the neo-cons that Trump has handed the keys to, and it's long term plans for regime change across the Middle East, then you would undertsand that this is not so much about anything Iran has or hasn't done as much as it is eliminating the only threat to Israeli/Saudi hegemony over the Middle East and the US full spectrum dominance of the region and beyond.

    This has all been put down in writing. Many thought the plan was too lunatic and deranged to be reality but the world unfolding as it is today proves otherwise.

    Understand who people like Bolton, Pompeo, Abrams and Pence really are if you really want to understand how incredibly dangerous this moment is in world history.
     
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    LMAO....Ah, the last refuge of the trump supporter. Mindless denial.
     

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