Trump doubles down on sanctions - threatening Europe with divorce

You forgot France, who is even more anti USA than we are.

That said, teh average German is taller than the average american. Most americans i´ve met just reach my chest or chin. I´m usually a head taller. you guys are midgets.

 

As is ours - this is the way it has always been. The idea that we would respond well to Russia - or any other nation usurping our sovereignty is a complete non starter. Citizens of the US in general do not like to be threatened - and other nations are no different.

If some other nation was messing with our sovereignty and threatening us you would be railing against this to high heaven - and justifiably so.

How is it that you expect other nations to react any differently ? Its the Golden Rule - Don't do to others what you do not want done to you - Treat others as you would be treated.

This is the rock on which Jesus based his teachings -Matt 7-12. Jesus said "This is the rule that sums up the Law and the Prophets".

How is it that you claim to be a Christian - and have almost no understanding of the main principle on which Jesus based his teachings ? - but never mind religion. This is just common sense.

You don't "make friends and influence people" by threats and coercion - never mind using the "nuclear option". There is a difference between having a disagreement - and burning down bridges. Unless of course someone is completely operating out of a blind partisan haze.

If Trump took a dump on your lawn you would claim it smelled like Roses.

These blunders on the geopolitical chessboard have consequences. The Trump administration is operating out of a flawed analysis of their position on the board. The reaction from Europe is proof of this - unless you think getting our allies to go ballistic on the world stage - publicly not privately - was the objective of the moves being made.

This not some joke. A political leader can not use stronger language than "you are messing with our sovereignty". This is a direct warning - "be careful". To say this in private during negotiations is one thing - to shout this in public on the world stage is a direct "F-U"

It reminds me of that 80's tune "Were not going to take it - anymore"

 

The US is a huge funder of radical Islamist's and their terrorist activities- providing huge amounts of sophisticated military technology to groups like Al Qaeda. Time to wake up and smell that flatus.

 

I admit trump slept through charm school

But the euro's should know without being prodded that iran is a dangerous country

Its appalling how clueless they are considering the high opinion they hold abput themselves

 

Not only was every member other member of the security council (and Germany) party to the deal - The US was party to the deal. This was not "Obama's" deal - nor the US's deal - it was a group effort.

The US was not given some position of authority over the group - it was a member - just like all the others. To back out of the deal is one thing - although this makes us look fickle - speaking with forked tongue - what ever you want to call it. A "credible nation" does not just back out of the previous administrations agreements willy nilly - that is more the stuff of third world puppet states.

But fine - Trump backed out of the deal - despite the agency given power to enforce compliance stating defacto that Iran was complying - this included our own people. The idea that other nations to not share the same concern as the US is preposterous nonsense - in fact despite those concerns our own people advised against backing out of the deal. Bonehead - famous for not listening to anyone and then not admitting error when he screws up - backed out anyway.

This is one thing - he then goes on to punish the other nations that were party to this deal. He wants to back out -- fine back out - you are a deal breaker and are harming the credibility of the US but it is what it is.

To then punish the other nations - who were trying to maintain Iran's compliance - by messing with their soverignty is just fked up.

Quite reciting Trump admin BS like it has some validity. I don't sit here an criticize Trump for stupid stuff - Stormy, Russiagate and so on. In fact I fight hard against the TDS liberals on Russiagate as this is harming the nation.

That said - only someone blind does not see that Trump is a loose cannon.. sometimes he gets it right - sometimes he does not - and his turds do not smell like flowers.

This whole Iran thing is one big smelly turd - and twirling around crying "Iran is a dangerous country" as if this justifies anything is preposterous nonsense. Pakistan is far more extremist and they already have nukes. This is not an argument for letting Iran have nukes but claiming they are somehow more dangerous than Pakistan is nonsense. Iran is about half as dangerous as Pence - God forbid something happens to Trump and that guy gets the football. He is just as nutty as the Islamist Extremists of Saudi Arabia - who are way more extreme than Iran.

Anyway - Yes we don't want Iran getting nukes - which is why all the members of the security council sat down and hashed out an agreement - one with conditions and verification - regardless of whether or not you like it. The idea that Trump knows more than all the other parties to that deal - including our own negotiators - is a joke.

Either way - backing out of the deal is one thing - backing out and messing with the sovereignty of our allies is a whole different kettle of fish.

Trump is out there acting like the US rules the world and he is the monarch. While one could have said this in the past and been mostly right - this is no longer the case... and the rest of the world is sick and tired of being bullied.

Piss off the other nations enough - and give it a few more years - and they will be sanctioning us - and the sad thing is that you couldn't really blame them. What's good for the goose is good for the gander is it not. Why not treat others the way they treat you.

 

It was obomas deal and only obama

The US senate never ratified it as a treaty ,

If it had you could say the Ametican people co-signed with obama

 

It is what it is. We need to take Iran down and you are in the way. All you need to do is get out of the way. Since you don't want to help, the U.S. may need to go to war with Iran. Neither we nor Iran wants that but Europe does?

 

Dude - you are so caught up in partisan back and forth that it is affecting your ability to understand context and you are imparting meaning where none exists. Who said anything about the Senate or American people ? It was the security council (and Germany's deal) - of which the US is just one member. The silly "it was Obama's deal" narrative assumes that Obama had some dictatorial power over the Security council - and he does not. Further - the administration went along with the deal - with input from the Pentagon - CIA and so on.

 

How am I in the way - no idea what you are talking about - and since when does Europe want war with Iran and they certainly don't share your opinion that "we need to take down Iran" - nor does the rest of the security council and nor did the Pentagon, CIA and State Department prior to the neocon/Trump clown car showing up.

 

I did

Because we are a republic instead of a dictatorship or a monarchy

 

This has zero to do with the context of what was being discussed. I thought I made that clear in the previous post - it is those that claim "it was Obama's deal" that are living in the fantasy world that Obama has dictatorial powers over the Security council.

 

No, we dont need to take Iran down. And we will not step aside. Your allies Germany, UK and France stand infront Iran. So what you do if we dont step aside?

 

I dont care what the Sevurity Vouncil thinks

We are an independent nation nut subservient to the council

 

The security council does not care what you think either - what does this have to do with anything ?

The other nations are also independent nations - yet, Trump is trying to make them subservient to his whim. That is the problem and the hypocrisy of this whole thing. "Do was we say, not as we do" and so on.

This hypocrisy and contradiction should be blatantly obvious to you.

If you don't like the US being subservient to other nations - why would you think other nations do not feel the same ? Do you not believe in the Golden Rule ? - treat others as you would be treated/ don't do to others what you don't want done to you.

Running around crying "I don't care" does not change reality.

If you don't care about our long term economic security - it is what it is. This does not change the fact that our economic security is being threatened by our actions - threatening our allies with the nuclear dollar option, sanctions and so on.

 

I said we need to take Iran down. We is the United States. If you stand in the way you will enjoy some sanctions.

 

Then you will get in the way and likely be sanctioned.

 

I agree that trump is being high handed

But the euros are offended most by the money they will lose not by trump forgetting to say « pretty please »

 

I am not getting in the way of anything - and the idea that some peon like myself would be sanctioned by the Trump administration for something I have no capability of doing - is preposterous nonsense on steroids.

 

You will not sanction your alleys. You will tone down and let it be.

This is first time you are put in your place and you will learn to live with that and see your alleys as on eye sight with you.

Germany, France and UK will not allow a further destabilisation of the middle east. We will not allow a war with Iran. And you will learn to accept that.

 

I thought that might raise your hackles.

 

I really wonder about that worldview. Do you actually believe that your allies can be right and your leadership wrong?

or do you want only vasalls? I would like to understand that worldview.

 

And to think we were the tallest people in the world once. Oh well, doesn't matter, I believe in an expanding earth, and next time it expands the small people will have the advantage. The tall will die out like the dinosaurs. The gravity will be too strong for their legs to support their weight. Swallow that Sobo.

Anyway the tallest people in the world are the Dutch and Serbs. But, but, but, the Serbs are untermenchen?

 

High handed is both an understatement and mischaracterization - kind of like calling a serial rapist mildly offensive to the victims.

The leaders of the Euro nations are political actors. They - as with Trump and almost any politician - are sensitive to the will of the electorate.

There are few things that make an the citizens of a nation go more berzerk than another nation messing with the sovereignty of that nation. It is like hitting a hornets nest with a baseball bat and expecting not to get stung.

The politician is then put in a position where they have no choice to react if they care anything about their political career - regardless of how that person feels personally about the situation. Trump has put these leaders into a position where they are forced to act against the US - whether or not they like it. The likely fact of the matter is the personal beliefs of the leaders are in line with that of the people - they do not like having the sovereignty of the nation they lead directly messed with either.

Then - to add insult to injury - Trump belittles these nations by "Publicly" inferring that these nations are subservient to the US - claiming that the US is defending them as if these nations can not defend themselves without the US. Aside from the fact that this inference is simply not true and patently absurd - it is just a stupid thing to do that - while perhaps scoring political points among Trumps base - directly threatens the future economic security of the US.

Can you imagine what the reaction would be if some other nation did this to us ? Heck - we went berzerk over a few facebook ad that didn't do squat in the grand scheme of things. Can you imagine if some other nation was directly messing with our sovereignty ? Holy snappage batman.

How do you think this affects our companies- in completely unrelated international transactions ? Its called a big "F_U". Since we are messing with the corporate interest of these nations directly - how can we expect anything different ? Like hitting a hornets nest with a bat and expecting to not get stung.

The world was already moving towards the creation of an alternative to the US international system of payments - where the USD is the "SOLE" world reserve currency. We maintain this status simply on the basis of the other nations of the world allowing us this status.

These nations - in accepting this system - have allowed themselves to be subservient to the US. I can not understate the huge advantage and benefit this gives the US. This status is maintained only because the world "ALLOWS" it.

So hey - lets throw the subservience of the nations of the world in their fact and abusing the power given to us by these nations against them by threatening the nuclear option - barring them from the system of international payments - PROVING to these nations that allowing us this position of utmost trust was a huge mistake.

What exactly do you think the response is going to be ? - time to take the toy away from the child.

The debt is now at 22 Trillion. We managed to get average interest rates on this debt down from well over 7% down to 2.25%. This is a difference between making annual interest payments of 500 Billion/year vs more than 1.5 Trillion/year.

The reason we were able to get interest rates down so low is largely due to our world reserve currency status.

 

I imagine that the backchannels already failed before trump went public

So matter how you slice it the euros see profit in trade with iran and care nothing about the historical future consequences

They are totally mercenary

How this plays out is your guess as good as mine

 

You realize of course that the majority of Americans are Germans, so why wouldn't we have the same world view that Germany always had that might makes right?

And whose afraid of the big bad Red Baron?
Not these dogs.
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