His only tool is racism ...

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  1. Moonglow

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    Nothing at all superior or shallow about that slogan from the 1960's..
     
  2. Moonglow

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    Many Asians do and are they president?
     
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    Is it racist to falsely claim that a black president wasn't born in US?
     
  4. Moonglow

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    The whole racism thing boils down to the infatuation repubs have with their so called superiority over the other members of the US...
     
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    Superiority and shallowness are common human weaknesses. We all have opinions. We all state them. Most of us don't call others racist for stating them.
     
  6. Moonglow

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    If someone told me to leave they wouldn't like my response at all..I can guarantee it would not be weak because I don't accept bullying from anyone.
     
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    Good for you.
     
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    If you haven’t noticed there is a full-blown Presidential election going on right now.......with a concurrent fight for the heart and soul of the Dem Party.......
     
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    LOL! Tell that to Venezuelans.
     
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    Rants can be fine things - so no problem.

    My belief in his racism doesn't manifest because of one statement or tweet. I generally like to base my opinions, ones as serious as racism, on more than just one comment. And Trump has given us many. It takes very little to google cases against Trump that cite racism. There are many. And, where there is smoke, I believe there to be fire. And I can't think of any other public individual who has gone on record, as many times as he has, saying he is not racist. He is the least racist person you could meet.

    I don't use a label of racism as a knee jerk reaction, as many libs have been accused of doing. I use it because I believe it - after careful consideration.
     
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    You really need me to answer that :shock:

    You might consider corking the vessel a weee bite sooner my friend!
     
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    So called by whom? You?
     
  13. Moonglow

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    No that is the meaning of racism aka Darwinism and Rhodesianism..
     
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    I see. I guess I should bone up on my rhodesianism.
     
  15. apoptosis

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    Are you sure the problem is the income disparity? Are you sure it isn't the wealth disparity?

    And yes, the democrats have contributed to the income disparity. Pushing women into the workforce en mass, lowers wages. Having millions of illegal immigrants and low skill workers imported also lowers wages. The thing is, both of those policies stagnate or lower wages at the bottom only, since the impact is in low skilled labor and entry level positions. So yes, there is plenty of blame to go around. If you think most people in either party have your best interest in mind, you have not been paying attention. The funny part is, the idea of mass migration and outsourcing of jobs were first proposed in the 1960's as a way to combat the growing labor unions in the US and to lower wages to make US companies more globally competitive. Read some of the old Club of Rome policy papers from the 60's. It is eerie how many of their ideas came to pass.

    Something else to consider, most redistributive policies only target the middle class, not the upper class. The upper class makes their money from investments and capital gains, not income. The "wealthy" person relying on their income for their money, is actually middle class. Let's say you make 150K per year. However, to make that you have to live in LA. Your house, car, and other bills will take almost all of your income. Your functional standard of living is not better than a middle class person in the Midwest. Your house is actually smaller. And then some guy comes along and complains that he is poor and you have so much, so he taxes your income more. Now you take a hit in your middle class lifestyle. Meanwhile, across town I own several small turnkey businesses and have some investment properties. I shift my compensation from income, I waive my paycheck, and am compensated in stock options, flex accounts, or some other less taxable reimbursement. You are taxed more, and I am not. The end result is that you can not escape poverty, because once you hit middle class, you are burdened with the poor. Meanwhile, my money is fine because I have you and the poors fighting over the scraps.
     
  16. Doofenshmirtz

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    I live in the liberal section of the planet where our taxes are among the highest. We are the poverty capitol of the US, the roads are crumbling, schools rank among the lowest, and the gap between the rich and the poor is huge. Democrats have a super majority here. Trump raised taxes on the wealthy by removing deductions. It doesn't matter if there is a D or an R by their name; they don't give a damn about you.

    I do enjoy when people take cheap shots at Trump. You must admire him to emulate him as you do.
     
  17. Moonglow

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    If it helps, yet, it is just another name for people who think their color and culture is superior and everyone else is inferior and therefore the superior should subjugate the lesser group..
     
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    So by "old racist trope", it seems like you mean you are interpreting events this way, not that they are inherently this way. Consider what you are saying; you can not criticize any immigrants that come here and make the country worse, because one time long ago telling people to leave was used as a form of racism. This is sort of what I was saying about people being blinded by their need to be seen as accepting of others. That's how it seems to me anyway. It seems like more of a reflex than a genuine response. This is similar to something I associate with racism, therefore the person is racist. Not very sound reasoning honestly.

    Look at blackface for example. Why is that offensive? There is nothing inherently offensive about it, it is makeup on a face. It isn't one race portraying another, because the movie "White Chicks" didn't spark a huge outrage, although it was the worst thing to happen to film in a long time. It is because the first outrage campaign to attack offensive entertainment by the NAACP was again the Amos and Andy show and that became a cultural artifact. We just knee jerk say, blackface is racist. Is it though? Are black comedians doing impressions of "white voice" being racist? It doesn't seem like it. It seems like joking about our differences is how we deal with tension.

    So instead of interpreting racism, or pointing to something like racism, let's just discuss the actual racism of Trump. What would that be?
     
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    Yes.
     
  20. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No way, José!

    We've had indolent and stoopid Presidents before, but this one is exceptional.

    You wont be getting any solace or comfort from his presidency. All he ever wanted was to prove to himself that he could be PotUS, and as such people would kiss-his-ass. (All the rest about you and me and the rest of America simply doesn't really matter. Never did and never will.)

    Now that that is done, he is amusing himself on the job, whilst watching the reaction from Fox News.

    This narcissistic joker has always thought he was the center of the universe ...
     
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    First, thanks for the reasonable response. Can we examine your foundational assumptions?
    IS there a consistent and discernible pattern of racism, or do people suffer from apophenia (seeing a pattern where none exists based on assumptions and confirmation bias)? It seems odd that the dems have accused every republican candidate since Nixon of being a racist. It is possible that the republican party is just infested with racists that don't appeal to their own racist base with open racism. It is more plausible that the term racist is used as a bludgeon against political opponents, with no basis in actual racism. If there had been 1 republican candidate that wasn't accused of racism, I might take the accusations more seriously. If, when the republicans had both the house and senate they had repealed the 1965 immigration act, then I might be able to take these claims more seriously. There is nothing substantive to point to to back these claims. They are generally based on innuendo, which relies on YOU to insert the worst motive for all of your political opponents ideas.

    You say, "where there is smoke, I believe there to be fire". You BELIEVE there is fire, but that doesn't make it exist. What if you didn't "believe" in anything, but just based your opinion on what you actually see? What do you think of the parties or ideologies then?

    As for constantly denying he is a racist, that is just ridiculous. If people constantly accused you of beating your wife and so you had to respond over and over, that is not evidence you beat your wife. Be serious.
     
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    Ok, how so? What specifically is racist about it?
     
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    ‘His ideology is racism’: Former top Texas judge says she’s leaving GOP over Trump
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...eaving-gop-over-trump/?utm_term=.6343e1732708

    "A former top Texas judge says she has left the Republican Party over President Trump, after his racist tweet telling four congresswomen to “go back” to where they came from.

    Elsa Alcala joins a small group of conservatives alienated by Trump’s remarks as most of the Republican Party sticks with the president — including through his latest attacks on Democratic representatives of color, three of whom were born in the United States."

    Is any policy initiative supported by President Flim Flam really worth having a sex offending bigot for a prez?
     
  24. LafayetteBis

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    Wealth is after-tax Income. Without Income there is no wealth.

    How you get wealth in America is less important than what you do with it. And what most people do is give it majoritively to their offspring. Who never worked a day in their lives to earn it.

    The consequence is diabolic. Fifteen percent of the people living in abject poverty and 0.1% of the population not knowing what the should do with it.

    So it just churns in the Wealth Mill of select Investment Finance firms.

    BFD ...
     
  25. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Money can efface racism, especially at the top of the pyramid.

    If you are a wealthy black (or yellow or whatever colour), you're welcome into any circle of Replicant friends. Especially if you have money to donate to elections in order to keep the status-quo.They employ those funds in inane TV commercials. (Because we Americans watch more TV than any other developed country on earth. Besides, that pleases their friends who run TV-companies.)

    It's not about colour. They could not give a damn about colour.

    It's all about Wealth, Wealth, Wealth. And how much of it you have and how you got it. And how much of it you will give "the party" in order to maintain (at all costs) the status-quo.

    All the rest is somewhat irrelevant ...
     

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