His only tool is racism ...

As I originally stated, I look at the man's life. Throughout it, you will find racism. That's what I base my decision upon.

As for the entire party, to suggest that the party is racism is irresponsible. And wrong. I have not done that, so can't give you reasons for it.

 

Yes.
https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history

 

No.

Was it racist when Sen John McCain was accused of not being a natural born citizen ?

 

No, wealth is not after tax income. That is your net income. If you don't know what wealth even is, then you can't possibly be a good judge of what workable solutions are, because you still don't understand the problem. You are just repeating empty talking points about the .1%, without even knowing why and how they beat you. First you should know, they don't pay taxes. Second, they can shift their compensation to a non taxed or less taxed disbursement. You can't. If you want to stop the accumulation of wealth, then you have to look at assets, not incomes.
Most people do not understand money. That is why their solutions to economic problems are unworkable. If you don't understand that labor is a commodity like oil or rubber, then yeah, the stagnating wages look like they must be nefarious. When I see people talking about income inequality and income tax, I know immediately that they don't understand the situation they are in. Seriously, I am not trying to be a jerk to you, but learn the difference between wealth and income. We may even have some middle ground once you do. I would be much more open to limiting wealth than I would to limiting income, because wealth actually matters long term.

 

Democrats haven't evolved. They're lazy. They are using the same loser worn-out name-calling tactics from 2016, and I don't think they'll be any more successful than they were then. They think and act like 2 year olds.

 

Those who want to rant to the general public are sick. They have nothing of consequence to say in a DEBATE FORUM.

Because they haven't the slightest notion of what constitutes a "debate" ...

PS: An elaborate definition from WikiPedia:

This online forum is less than a "debate forum" as it is a "discussion forum" since it does not adhere to the above definition. There are no "issues for debate" and no pro- or con- sides to present arguments and counter-arguments, which are the real means-of-exchange of any formal debate. It's an amalgam of everything and what starts as a "debate subject" often leads down venues having no relation whatsoever to the initial subject. (Because the "exchange" has no "debate coordinators".)

But it is nonetheless better than nothing at all ...

 

Many on the right thought Obama was an "affirmative action" president. Please explain this feeling in terms of racism.

 

This is actually closer to my thoughts on the matter. Color is no more important than it is useful. It is, to a large degree, about what you have. If we are being honest with ourselves, the 2 parties are little more than coalitions of corporate interests that appeal to 2 different brands of populism via public relations firms. I highly doubt they "believe" in much of anything. The differences are generally small...the republicans are going to expand the government and the democrats are going to rally for war. There are no real options on some issues. So sit back an enjoy "Pepsi Presents: New Democracy Lite!"

 

Ok, so looking at his entire life, what specifically do you see that is concerning?

 

I've been doing well with my retirement for the past 9 years. You?

 

Not to be contrary, but there are several lists on posts here, and a quick google search will provide that for you. I don't suspect that my list will do anything more than provide a list for you to debate. Which is fine, but I've had it several times already. My opinion has not changed. I'm not a closed minded person, I just see things differently - apparently. So we should just leave it at that.

 

If you are going to answer the question, why don't you answer the entire question? You even didn't add ellipses to hide how disingenuous you are being.

From your garbage source:
"On the campaign trail, Trump repeatedly made explicitly racist and otherwise bigoted remarks, from calling Mexican immigrants criminals and rapists to proposing a ban on all Muslims entering the US to suggesting a judge should recuse himself from a case solely because of the judge’s Mexican heritage."

This is pure misinformation. Mexican is not a race. Muslim is not a race. He wanted the judge to recuse himself, because he was a member of la raza (the RACE), whose slogan is "Por La Razatodo, Fuera de La Raza nada" which roughly means, "for the race everything and nothing for outside the race". And yet Trump is the racist in this scenario. Nice.

 

I'm not really certain what you are asking of me. Am I explaining why would republicans say that? I will just roll with that, and if I am wrong you can correct me.

I would imagine it had something to do with the rhetoric around the 2008 election. Just like in 2016 how Hillary basically ran on being a novelty..."it's about time for a female president". If you are voting for someone based on that incidental characteristic, then you are promoting them based more on their race or sex than on merit.

 

Righties on this forum say racism doesn't exists yet they say Obama is an "affirmation action" president. If rhetoric, it is a racist rhetoric nevertheless. Note Obama didn't win once, but twice.

 

Be contrary! It is a forum...apparently not a formal debate forum with marquis of queensbury rules like LafayetteBis was hoping for, but a discussion forum at least. Agree to disagree is BS. It is interesting that we disagree, and now I want to understand why. Either you have info I don't have, I have info you don't have, or we both have the same info but see it differently.

I looked at google, and followed links in this thread, but I don't see any actual racism. I see innuendo, claims, implications, and intentional misuse of the word racism to borrow moral outrage. What I did not see was any actual racism. Mexican is not a race. If you think it is, then you don't know many Mexican people. Not all Mexicans are mestizos, which itself is an ethnicity. Stating that Mexico should deal with its own lower class instead of exporting the problem here, is not racist. Saying that there were many rapists was not racist, as 80% of the trafficked women were reporting rape at that time. Unless 1 guy was doing all that raping, then there was a rapist problem. Maybe he is not the one focusing solely on their "brown" skin if you are willing to overlook the practical factors here. Maybe YOU are the one who is focused on race to the exclusion of other rational concerns.

Please, you don't have to list everything. Just give me the very best one. What was the single most racist thing Trump has said or done?

 

And he accused his opponent of racism both times. Remember in 2009 when you couldn't even question a policy decision without being accused of racism? If you don't like Obamacare, it is because racism. The charge was lobbed over and over. So, we have a man promoted possibly just because of his skin color, and you have to use kid gloves and can't treat him like a normal employee. How is it significantly different from affirmative action through that lens?

And to take it a step further, I think you will find most republicans do say that affirmative action is racist and the only systemic racism that remains in the US. Note the use of the word systemic before responding please.

 

Ah...so you have the same feeling about Obama despite he was voted into office not once, but TWICE.

I do tend to believe perhaps it's time to end affirmative action, but the step back should be slow so progress can be monitored.

 

This is a good place to start. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-racism-comments/588067/

In particular, I see racism in the following:
The DOJ lawsuit against him in 1973
The 1993 lawsuit he filed to block natives from opening casinos
His comments following his 'shithole' comment: He reportedly referred to African countries as “shithole” nations—asking why the U.S. can’t have more immigrants from Norway instead—and complained that, after seeing America, immigrants from Nigeria would never “go back to their huts.”

 

No, I don't have the same feeling. You asked me to explain something, and to the best of my knowledge, I answered that. I am still not 100% certain what you were asking me initially. However, if you are electing someone because they are black, or gay, or a woman, or because of some other incidental characteristic, then you could make a case for "affirmative action". At the very least you could use it as a pejorative to irritate your opponents.

 

Whether Trump is racist or not is immaterial. Trump's message is to his base and only his base, and it is a message of fear (immigrations taking jobs) and hate (anybody that doesn't look like us and believe like us). He will expand on this message for the next year and a half. It's all he and his base have. The economy won't be an issue because it has topped out. Wages will be and healthcare will definitely be.

Here's a real problem. Trump's rallies are getting more vile and obscene. Trump goes from one obscenity to another and backs them with freight train of lies. His lies have gone all the way to lunatic stage, and his base believes them. His base is getting angrier and angrier at minorities, Democrats, liberals, brown people, the establishment, the deep state, and any sumbitch that resists Trump and Trumpets.

This is going to blow in a nasty and violent way. Trump's vicious attacks on socialists, immigrants, muslims, and ANTIFA is stirring up the mob and the mob is arming itself against any and all imaginary enemies. They're ready to do violence and that day grows closer with every trump rally. This Trump bullshit can't go on forever and it will come to a very nasty end.

Trump's biggest enemy is his mouth. Normal people are exhausted with the moron. That will defeat him.

 

Thanks for being specific!

The 1973 lawsuit was against his father and in 1973, and just having a lawsuit brought against you is not proof of anything.
He tried to block an Indian casino....how is that racist? This is like the charge in the Atlantic piece, about the 5 rapist guys. The fact that they were black or Hispanic was brought up, and then just sort of posited by the article to be the main reason for his position, with no evidence to that effect. What is that based on? How do you know his motivation there? Did he say lets kill only black rapists or something that let you know? Or are YOU filling in the blank?
This is what i was talking about when I mentioned innuendo. The Atlantic tries to paint a picture by saying racism over and over and showing you accusations and baseless speculation. Your mind is supposed to fill in the blank so that you think you are seeing something when you aren't. Apophenia.

So he called a bunch of shithole countries shitholes? What is racist about that? Most African nations and South American nations ARE shitholes. Haiti IS a shithole. Would you move to any of them? Would you take your family? Why do you suppose they are in such a rush to come here if their home nations are so great? And yeah, we probably could use more immigrants from Norway than Somalia. It's funny that you see this as racist, because if I ask any progressive person that is talking **** about how bad the US is, where on earth is better, they always say nearly homogeneous white Northern European countries like Norway or Sweden. But if someone says we need more immigrants from there, the place that is better than the US, then it must be because of racism. It has nothing to do with getting immigrants that are going to contribute more than manual labor.

You don't have to like everyone or everything. You don't have to pretend that things are better than they are, just to save people's feelings. There is nothing racist about objective facts and reality, even if black or other non white people are involved. Just because a country is full of non white people, does not make them above criticism. You understand all this right?

Just out of curiosity, how did you feel about Hillary Clinton stating that Robert Byrd the "Exalted Cyclops" of the KKK, was her mentor? Did that cause you to look for a pattern of racism in her past?

 

I don't support racism from anyone - including Clinton.

As for my decisions based upon the article, I look to Trump's comments on each:

“They Don’t Look Like Indians to Me”
“Go Back to Their Huts”
“You Don’t Want to Live With Them Either”

The reality is - whether you like it or not - that we will have to agree to disagree. I see racism where you don't.

 

Well, it is not immaterial, because it is a baseless charge that is lobbed constantly in an attempt to disingenuously brand him that way. In fact, most republicans are attacked with the same smear, with or without evidence. They aren't accidentally misusing the word racism to discuss nationality or religion, it is an intentional effort to conflate those topics. You say Trumps attacks are "obscene", but then say it is immaterial when he is attacked. And please, don't even try the old "dangerous rhetoric" canard, because the only dangerous rhetoric that is resulting in real world action, is by the democrats and the media. Remember the republican baseball game that got shot up by a lunatic lefty? Then Rand Paul's neighbor attacked him based on this rhetoric. Then an ice facility was firebombed recently due to the rhetoric about "concentration camps". And on and on. If anyone is unhinged, it is the far left in this country that think republican speech is violence, and democrat violence is speech.

Trump's message is fear and hate huh? That is interesting. Considering you are here fear mongering about his supposed hate right now, that is interesting you would accuse others of this.
Democrats for the past 3 years: He is a literal Nazi!!!! All the immigrants will have to go to concentration camp!!1!! The stock market will crash if he is elected!!!1! We are literally the fascisms!!!
Trump: Make America Great Again. Don't take **** off of people that try to use your sympathy against you.

Yeah, I guess I see your point.

Do you have any evidence for any of the claims you make? Like you said his base is "getting angrier and angrier at minorities" for example. Is there evidence of this? If this is the case, how can you know it is due to Trump, and not due to seeing the clear double standard for white people and everyone else? Like you can criticize white people in the media as much as you want, but if you said something about black people in 1987 and someone finds it, you have to apologize and lose your job. Seeing a clear double standard like this, pisses people off. So it would not surprise me if true, but I have seen no evidence to that effect.

 

"You have the ability to make not only an impact here, but also in our nation back home"

 

Well, the reason I asked about Clinton, is because you said you base your opinions on thorough examination of the person. You did not answer my question, which I will take as a negative. It likely did not even occur to you to check Clinton's past with that critical eye, am I right?

“They Don’t Look Like Indians to Me”- OK what is racist here? All Indians look alike would be closer, but still not quite. You do understand there are people like Elizabeth Warren that are white, but who will claim 1/64 Cherokee or whatever to abuse the laws set up to help the Indians right? Is this one of those instances? Could be...
Also, my ex is Taiwanese and there were times when she couldn't tell what region of Asia some people were from when we tried to guess. If she said to someone, you don't look Korean to me, that is not racist. That is what is known as an observation.

“Go Back to Their Huts”- this is how I know you are basing your opinion solely on innuendo. There is nothing racist here AT ALL!. You saw the word "hut" and associated that with black people for some reason. You do understand that the poor people of many countries, including Nigeria and China, live in huts or shacks. That is how poor people live in other parts of the world. But at least they don't have to deal with a literally Hitler fascist society like us eh? Well, maybe China does.

“You Don’t Want to Live With Them Either”- ok who is them, and what is race related in this quote? I can promise you there are many populations on the earth I wouldn't want to live around. I don't want to live near fundamentalist Muslims anymore than I want to live with fundamentalist Christians. There are tons of people you don't want to live around, I promise. And some of them may have a different skin color than you, and that's ok. That is not what racism is.

Here, I will make this easier: Racism: n. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

Do you know of anything that meets that actual definition of racism?

"I see racism where you don't." - that is a problem though. Something either exists or it doesn't, so one of us is wrong. If you are seeing it, you should be able to point to it. I'll give you an example. When the Black Hebrew Israelites claim that black people are the superior race, invented everything, and white people are just "cave beasts" that stole all the knowledge from black people, THAT is racism. Saying that someone can't be a physicist because black people aren't smart enough, THAT is racist. Some countries or cultures are worse than others, is not racism. That is known as discernment.