Won't Leave? Well then do this america haters.

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Jonsa, Jul 21, 2019.

  1. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm sure your figures, if the have any basis are skewed. Antifa is about to be named a terrorist group. Are they included? Black Lives Matters have contributed to police shootings....what about them?
     
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    Adfundum Moderator Staff Member Donor

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    Sure.

    I've said I take a more middle of the road approach to things, so when it comes to things like minimum wage and free college, there are problems that our idealism won't let us see.

    When we talk about the minimum wage, we tend to think in terms of big business and large corporations. There is a little general store about a mile from me that employs about 5-6 people. If they have to raise their minimum wage, the store will have to close or some of those folks will have to be let go. There is a Dollar General about 8 miles the other way that just opened. Increasing the minimum wage might sting a bit as far as the bottom line, but it's not going to close them down. There has to be some middle ground.

    As far as free college, I'm not against the concept so much as I'm aware of the reality. Locally, our school districts partner with community colleges and offer college level classes in high school. There is a minimum GPA requirement, but it's pretty low. There is an assumption that the students are motivated, and will take their classes seriously. The reality is that close to half of them take those classes because they're online classes with no teacher. Students sit in computer labs and play games and post on social media. When assignments or tests are due, they google the answers.

    After high school, these kids enter the community college free of charge. I've talked to many of the professors who say the same thing--those kids are not interested in learning, just hanging out with the assumption that their presence means they'll get a degree. One of my former students came back and told me she got kicked out of class for talking and playing on her phone. Her parents got involved and said it was the professor's fault because he was boring. I've been in the situation where other students were being disruptive during a class that I was paying for. They were convinced they had a right to be there and the freedom to do as they pleased. I consider that a kind of theft.

    Our free k-12 education is a political football. State and federal programs have virtually destroyed education, and students really don't take it as seriously as they should. This free education is paid for by people who elect leaders who say they will fix the problem, yet have no experience in the classroom.

    Long story short, free stuff invites problems and devalues the experience. There has to be some middle ground such as requiring students to finish courses with appropriate GPAs and to meet certain behavioral guidelines before their debt can be forgiven.

    I look at it like this: If you work hard, save money, and buy a diamond, it has value to you. But if you are given free diamonds, they ultimately have little value.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is how I define "globalist". That is one who is in a common drive to diminish the power of strong nations to the least common denominator regardless of culture so that everyone can be ruled under a Central powerful governing system. Under what powerful system the governing will be done will be determined by an elite few. The American Constitution will have absolutely no bearing under that ruling system as it conflicts with others. Globalism can have no conflicts. Perhaps Sharia Law will weigh in.

    I see this attempt to bring about globalism in America becomes more and more obvious as American History has a very limited focus in our education system and we do see Marxism glorified in the higher grades by liberal economic Professors.
     
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    Thank you for clarifying that. I apologize for being anal.
    Now, can you tell me, specifically, what it is that makes you think people in this country are pushing for globalization?
     
  5. Renee

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    Remember How Trump campaigned on make America great again saying that America was not great ? Why didn’t he go back to Germany?After all, if you don’t like your country you should be silent according to trump except when he says it
     
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    I hope that you shared this ridiculous nonsense with the FBI so they can laugh at you
     
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    Where do you get your news from? I'm concerned it might be from the FOX Propaganda Network, which respects the truth about as much as Trump respects Obama. Or, possibly even worse, Facebook, where many of the Russian lies became part of the history of the election of 2016. Lefties aren't your enemy. Trump & McConnell are your enemy. Liberals support expanding human rights. Trump & McConnell support every possible giveaway idea to enrich the wealthy. Liberals dedicate themselves to helping society as a whole. Conservatives dedicate themselves to helping themselves &/or the super wealthy class because they believe the lies about trickle down.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In no way do I view your comments as "anal".

    Sure.....first off, the push for a strong Central, entitlement oriented government leads to the concentration of power. For at least four decades our borders have not been enforced as the law requires. We are getting illegal immigration concentrated in one culture that is beginning to overwhelm the system as well as the culture. We now have candidates for one party calling for open borders.Multi=culturalism is now the rage replacing what we once called the melting pot, or assimilation. As evidenced in voting instructions and information everywhere, we are now a bi-lingual country, where as English should be recognized as the ONLY official language. The language binds the people. The drive toward Socialism (equalizing people by confiscating from the productive) is more accommodating to globalism. As stated in the beginning, the more concentrated the power, the easier a takeover to Global Rule.
    So why do we need to replace out Constitutional System with one that is more appeasing to others ?.....so we can just get along? Surrender our liberty to get along?
    John Lennon wrote "Imagine" and he acknowledged in an interview the song had a Marxist influence. Is that where we are headed?
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Strok, Page and Comey are gone so why would they laugh?
     
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    I am shocked you didn't throw some racist accusations in there..... lol
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We had 8 years of President Barrack Hussein Obama making phony deals and apologizing for America.....it made Moochelle proud for the 1st time, but America lost it's greatness during that time. Now, President Donald J. Trump is making it great once again.
     
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    Ok when was the first time in your life you heard about voter fraud?

    But you did bring up airports which is owned by private companies. They were incapable of protecting Americans so now we pay to protect their interests. TSA through homeland security. It is needed and told to us it’s needed and now we pay to protect ourselves in a private building. What more do you want to pay for?

    The border leftist are making fears? Ok I thought leftists didn’t care about the border. It is not fear to ask that people get treated like people it is what Jesus would do.
     
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    Prove it. Show me the facts of your claim because I’m unlearned. But past that the dnc does suck telling vendors do this or else. They are trying to overthrow AOC and progressives. If you want real change in the dnc I’m with you.
     
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    When I read about Kennedy getting the mob to stuff ballot boxes for him.
     
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    Steele Dossier, HRC investigation, Weiner and his laptop sexting and his wife, election rigging.... the list goes on and on and on and on.....
     
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    They come from the FBI. But whatever. Black lives matter has killed who? And not every black person is part of that group. Antifa is global. Please stop equating one group to another it skews your point.
     
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    A Weiner is all you got huh?

    And they were rigged to go against Bernie but I’m glad you care about a so called socialist
     
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    Ok let’s start there since Kennedy. How many times did conservatives with the presidency address the issue? It wasn’t until Obama. Ok now republicans had the house, the senate, the White House, and the Supreme Court. Did they solve voter fraud? No because it’s ridiculous they are just using it as a wedge issue. So if Democrats are the orchestrators of voter fraud shame on republicans for yet again doing nothing. But it’s very telling you had to go all the way back to Kennedy.
     
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    Steele Dossier, HRC investigation, Weiner and his laptop sexting and his wife, election rigging.... the list goes on and on and on and on.....

    Almost forgot, The Clinton Foundation and the "pay for play" with foreign nations when she was SoS.

    It's been addressed since Kennedy was caught working with the mob stuffing ballot boxes so he could win the election. If Democrats didn't want and need the votes, they would be working on a solution to address the issue, but they want/need those votes.
     
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    It’s been addressed since Kennedy? Ok I’m severely confused. Why are we talking about voter fraud. Clarify please so we can move on.
     
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    Yea, just no Democrats will actually do anything about it because they don't want the issue solved. They need those votes. Why do you think they keep shutting down inquires.
     
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    Do you racists always say the same thing? They’re so hypersensitive because they project how they think onto others
     
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    Answer a question for me please. Why wont McConnell investigate Russian intervention in our democracy? Doesn’t that bother you at all? Or is it OK because they want trump there because he is a pawn
     
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    Jesus respected the authority. I can go into that a whole lot deeper but you wouldn't be convinced anyway. thefederalist.com/2016/10/13/voter-fraud-real-heres-proof/
     
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    I don't know about social responsibility, I don't look at it like that. I just know that you can't have everything you want and need to pick your battles.

    I think we are doing very well in Australia, we have a modest social safety net as well as very low tax rates relative to comparable nations. Lower than the US indeed.

    I think we should reform welfare programs to remove the disincentive to work (some sort of UBI) while reducing overall expenditure. On healthcare I am fine with Medicare as it is, but am strongly opposed to any and all sin taxes.

    Aa far as universal healthcare goes I support it, so long aw it is not used as a way for government to say "your body is now public property, any damage you might do to it must be prohibited"

    I dunno, I'm a stickler for bodily autonomy. Abortion is one instance of a broader issue.

    You might disagree with me on some of this, and thats fine, but I think in Aus we still have a robust center of politics unlike most elsewhere.
     

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