Russian FM warns USA against putting defense systems in space.

who cares about space anymore? instead of exploring the oceans of Europa, we are circling around the moon like a bunch of dummies and collecting sand from mars....SAD!

 

You start out demonizing anyone who disagrees with you as "Liberal Lefty Socialist Globalist Anti Trumpsters who do not read" - get a grip.

Missile defense is just as much as an offensive weapon as a defensive one - that was the whole point of the Anti Ballistic Missile Treaty. I thought we had been through this before but perhaps it was someone else. The point of the ABM treaty was so that some buckaroo does not get the hair brained idea "We will fire our missiles first and when the enemy shoots back we will shoot them down".

It is this destabilization of nuclear detente that is problematic as the Russia is then compelled to take counter measures to restabilize detente'.

One thing we have managed to avoid as a planet is weaponization of space. A missile system in space does just that. Only an idiot - be it red- blue or otherwise - thinks weaponization of space is a good thing.

 

I didn't claim that we could not access space without Russian Rockets .. It was your claim that we only used Russian rockets to go to the ISS that was proven false. And now - as usual - you are backtracking and making up more falsehoods in order to cover your previous falsehoods .. that and name calling.

As per this article in the Economist from October 2018 - Up until very recently we were completely reliant on Russian Rockets to get to the ISS -" Given that the Russian Soyuz system is presently the only way to get people into orbit," https://www.economist.com/the-econo...-soyuz-rockets-to-put-its-astronauts-in-space

 

Nice - jumping into a conversation and making up falsehoods on the QT .. the sign of a true intellect ..

 

Mutual Assured Destruction is truely a madmans game

The russians have nothing to fear as long as they behave themselves

 

MAD is a reality - this is why maintaining detente is important. Russia could say the same about the US "The US has nothing to fear as long as they behave themselves"

You kind of shoot yourself in the foot with that comment as both sides are constantly misbehaving - so by your own statement both sides have something to fear which contradicts your initial point.

Building missile defense is on the basis fear - and the Russian's taking counter measures is on the basis of fear. Obviously - if one side gains the upper hand in this game they can misbehave with impunity.

Weaponization of space is "misbehavior" on the grandest scale .. thus by your own statement the Russians have a whole lot to fear.

 

Your words on first page:

Which implies we cannot launch anything to space without Russian engines (you actually claimed Russian rockets which I overlook because English is probably not your native tongue). You didn’t specify that we need to use Russians to launch cargo to ISS only. The conversation is about militarization of space, not ISS.
You made a claim we need russian engines to militarize space, and I proved your claim wrong by proving that out of 11 active space launch systems in the US only 2 use Russian engines.

 

MAD is another weakness of yours.
Wanna get spanked again?

 

Saying "we may well use Russian Rockets to put missile defense into space" does not imply that we cannot launch anything without Russian Rockets. Is English not your first language ?

 

Now you are projecting again. Just as your claim that the only use for Russian Rockets was to go to the ISS was proven false - so were your numerous of your claims with respect to MAD.

 

I guess the gifted is not so gifted, after all.
Anyway, everyone sees that you are just running your mouth.
Go on, continue to embarrass yourself.

 

You can go to your room and pout some more if you like - this will not change the fact that it was your nonsense claims that were proven false.
To make a mistake is human - failure to heed correction to one's mistakes is the mark of a fool.

 

Russia can stuff it. If we want to put crap in space it's none of his business. He's a crap leader of an irrelevant country.

 

What counter measures can the enemy take?

Build their own missle defense system?

That makes everone safer

How is that a bad thing?

 

When Bush pulled out of the ABM treaty in 2002 - Putin's response was similar to now saying "This is a mistake". When he announced his plan to put ABM's on Russia's border in Poland and Czechoslovakia Russia lost it.

They threatened nukes in space publicly. Having a nuke above my head - 30 seconds away instead of 30 minutes - does not make everyone safer. This is a hair trigger situation.

They ended up not doing this - thankfully. What they did was build short range nuclear cruse missiles. The point of these is to take out the ABM's prior to launch. ABM' technology does not work against cruise missiles - which you don't see coming until it is far too late. This does not make Europe safer. It does not make us safer either as ABM's will be destroyed prior to launch - along with our satellite detection and communication systems and radar installations. Then in darkness we would wait.

What they also did was ramp up their sub program - missile defense in Europe does not work against a sub sitting off our shores.

Russia also worked on other technologies such as hypersonic missiles and underwater drones - and made advances in decoy technology to thwart defensive measures. None of this makes the world a safer place.

 

Russia would be developing new weapons n9 matter what

In the 80’s were against confronting the Soviets

They were wrong then and could be wrong now

 

You don't know that and neither do I. What we do know is that the Russians are not going to stand idly by while the US destabilizes nuclear detente'. I don't think they would have build short range nuclear cruise missiles - in violation of the short and intermediate range treaty. The fact of the matter is that we forced them to do this - regardless of whether or not they would have done it anyway.

Of course we are against nuclear war with Russia - it is madness to adopt a contrary position - as pointed out in explicit detail in previous posts.

One nuclear sub - 16 missiles (10 MIRV's each) = 160 missiles roughly 5-7 times the power of Hiroshima. Wipe 160 US cities off the map - cities with populations of 500,000 or more - and let me know whats left .. Fargo ND ?

That is one Sub and these are firecrackers compared to the ballistic missiles 1 megaton is 75 times the power of Hiroshima. The Russians still keep some of the 20 megaton beasts around = 1500 times Hiroshima. These are not very efficient though and so most are much smaller. "only 75 times". and Russia can send thousands ... as can we.

Claiming that we would somehow not be annihilated by even a small attack - say 500 or so missiles - is preposterous nonsense .. those claiming that we would not be annihilated by a full scale attack are off their rockers.

This is not about liking Russia - this is about recognizing that we happen to occupy the same planet with Russia and both of US has the capacity to wipe each other off the map - so we should try not to antagonize each other if possible.

 

Space is everyone's business. So if Russia puts nukes in space above our heads - 30 seconds away instead of 30 minutes away - we should respond with "its none of our business" ?

You need a serious reality check.

 

Escalating tensions and getting into some new nuclear arms race is only good for justifying more military spending. It doesn't make anyone safer, especially in light of Cold War incidents that nearly started WWIII or killed Americans with one of our own damned nukes.

 

We and other countries have numerous missions beyond the earth and the moon. Did you miss the historic visits to Pluto and Ultima Thule, for instance?

 

They put missiles in space we should destroy them..

We should have just nuked eachother back in the 80s and got it over with.

 

Russia may very well have weapons in space already, no one knows as they are extremely tight lipped and regularly use deceit, Propaganda and underhanded tactics. They can warn or threaten all they want but anything that country says anymore is instantly received in this light. The United States and others will do as they wish at this point and any treaty is probably considered null and void if Russia is involved. Very soon even their Soyuz/Cosmodrome programs will be completely irrelevant to international space use beyond creating something to worry about. Lack of $$$ and technology have decimated what the U,S.S.R. built.

 

Heh.
This means he doesn't know about the THOR satellites.
Heh..

 

I know about the pluto one , that was pretty cool...I'll have to look up the other one

 

Same mission, as it happens! They found Ultima Thule in time to redirect the same spacecraft to fly by it. They specifically wanted to see if they could find something to visit after succeeding at Pluto.