Merkel wants a german Aircraft carrier

The problem with F35 was, that it has just one engine and does not meet the criteria our Luftwaffe had in mind. Its also slower than the Eurofighter and could be detected by our passive radar tech. It was decided we build more Eurofighter and opt for a 6th gen jet that we build and develop together with France.

The thing was also, that we would not profirt from the F-35. We are a tech nation. When we order a finished product, we dont learn for our own. It als feels kinda embarrassing to order and not build it.

As for the carrier, thats a different thing. My guess is, that it would be based on the Ford class but be different in many aspects and also has its own radar, communication tech ect based on german tec,. The american expertise would mostly be needed in teh propulsion system as well as aircraft management. Since thats the fields we have no experince in. We build nuclear reactors but never used them on a ship.

 

The USA should not sell Germany a carrier

 

And we would not. We might assist however if asked.

 

She likely won't be around much longer, your bunnies better keep on clapping. lol!

 

Only for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, or even a dime.

 

Excuse me, but what about the Baden-Wurttenberg frigate? Due to poor German engineering, it doesn't seem to work. Have they fixed it yet after many years of trying?
Or the new €6 billion Berlin airport that is over 10 years behind schedule or Stuttgart's railway station which was stalled after 10 years? Are these finally back on track? What went wrong?

 

That goes without saying....I remember when France pulled the plug on Russia when they got sanctioned and could not pay for their new boat.

 

I thought there was a ship that didn't work. Didn't know about the others though.

 

She was put into service in June.

And no, not because poor engineering, simply because idiotic politicians changing plans again and again. Same problem with the A400.

I explained the problem above. The problem is called "democracy". Its a shitty concept. Decissions should be made from experts and not elected idiots who think they know something.

I hope sooner or later we get rid of this **** but since we are stuck with this form of governemnt, we should do the best with it.

 

Carriers like ours (US) are expensive targets. We spend more energy/resource protecting them than the strategic returns are worth, imo.

'Pocket carriers' would be far more versatile and far less expensive. Germany had some relative success with 'pocket battleships' in WW2. Maybe yall will show us yanks how to do carriers in a more efficient/ versatile manner?

 

You need another 1000 year Reich, but on the other hand it didn't work out too well the first time.....

 

Don't underestimate the power of German engineering. The first rocket engines, jet engines and even nuclear fission was first developed in Germany. After the war all the German scientists were used to develop the superpower arsenals. Probably the greatest German trait of all is creativity. Most of the great American engineers and scientists had either German ancestry or were trained by them.

 

The project is still in the early planning phase. Nobody knows what the vessel will look like.

 

The Japanese had submarine aircraft carriers - the I400 class - that could be the way to go. Still, 3x500lb bombs ain't going to change the war.

 

My guess is Merkel wants something bigger and visible.

 

Size matters.

 

While I am well aware of German engineering and history, perhaps you should also pay attention to it and recent quality control issues. There is very good reason for Germany seeking help in this venture as they are simply not up to the task and know it.

 

See, that attitude keeps your military down.
I had a conversation with an officer from the US army once and he described a problem that seems to be totally reverse of what you are having - he was saying that they were chronically over budgeted, which means that they couldn’t spend money available to them on time before new budget kicks in (and it was a use it or lose it situation) so they were buying new equipment, furniture and even TVs before old ones were due to be replaced just to maintain the same level of budget. That’s why US military always has newest equipment down to small things. It is pretty wasteful though and I wish there was a better way to budget for things more efficiently and to get officers to fully use up their equipment before they replace it, without obviously pushing the military into using old and outdated items.

 

Ahem, Boeing.....

 

A good side story on German quality - my wife and I have 2 cars, Nissan Sentra and Volkswagen Jetta. A couple of months ago we had a very large hail. Both cars got damaged, but dimples could be barely visible on my Sentra, while my wife’s Jetta looked like a golf ball. Germans either use softer alloys or thinner metal in their cars. That’s why I always prefer Japanese - they make things sturdy and they last.

 

The VW isn't a diesel by any chance?

 

My Cadillac was hammered by heavy hail. Not even a mark.

 

Boeing had a different issue - greed got into the way of good engineering - they wanted to make a plane that is much better than older model, and at the same time wanted to keep it as old for certification purposes which is appealing to airlines because they don’t have to retrain and recertify their pilots. That’s what made 737 Max a “success”. If the execs were not so greedy and went for certification of the plane as a totally new type most of the problems would have been caught right away. Max is so different from older versions that both planes crashed because pilots literally had no idea what’s going on and what to do about the plane nosediving. If the plane was treated as a new model and pilots would need to be retrained on this plane they would learn about that anti stall software.
Other Boeing planes are flying just fine. And don’t forget - 787 Dreamliner had hiccups in first years too.

 

Like this.

 

Ayup...Boing screwed up....fortunately they make much better planes and everyone uses them