Merkel wants a german Aircraft carrier

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  1. Dayton3

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    Sadly, knowing Trump that is quite possible.
     
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    Sobo, almost every radar in the world can detect an F-35 (or an F-22, U-2, and F-117A) its just a matter of range and angle. Because it is a physical impossibility to build a vehicle that is totally stealthy and undetectable by radar. The goal is to reduce the range at which aircraft (mainly) can be detected so the effect is to produce "coverage holes" in an air defense network.
     
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    Our passive radar is quite interesting. It meassures natural radar scoruces and how a moving object inside that field changes the flow. Totally different concept to active radar.
     
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    Are you referring to aircraft tracking systems that detect the "hole" in the sky where the aircraft is blocking ultraviolet radiation as it passes?
     
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    No, Germany invented something called "passive radar". Look, the entire sky is filled with radio waves. Artificial ones but also natural ones. A object moving thrugh those waves creates waves itself. Like a ship in the sea. Thats how passive radar works.
     
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    The tests were discontinued.
    Nice try kiddo.
     
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    He means this system.

    https://www.c4isrnet.com/global/eur...overt-radar-in-large-scale-demo-over-bavaria/
     
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    Todays Germany does not have that thing about Naval power. They were prestige objects in the past. Nothing but a huge waste of money and resources. Because of the expense, prestige and what ever, they were hardly used, harbor queens.
    The battle of Skagerrak was the last great battle of those ships, a draw.
    In WWI the German raiders played quiet a role. The Wolf is the most famous. A former cargo ship, transformed into a military ship, heavily armed. A amazing story.
    Graf Spee is a interesting story, too, WWII
     
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    Germans dislike nuclear power, it is a absolute no go.
     
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    Wrong, as usual.
    Green is German and Germans are Green
     
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    Then why do they want to build an aircraft carrier?
     
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    Please do not believe what he wrights.
    Remember he still uses mamas poty, a juvenile, in training, low on education and experience.
    Still a child.
     
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    Germany does not want to built a carrier. Its just the kiddos BS.
    Germany is interested in the European defense initiative and would support it.
    The carrier was thrown out as a symbol for it, political speech, nothing more.
    Projects like the next European fighter plane, ore a European tank, standardizing etc. ore more combined force, which could lead to a European defense force.
    This is what Germany has been doing, bring in its EU partners, built combined forces.
    The carrier idea is directed at France, leader in the EU combined forces idea, but at one point it has to bring in its carriers and nuclear subs.
    It is just one of those political stubs, that national pride thing, Grand Nation, how serious are you, its a political game.
     
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    Because of the German aversion to nuclear power one could assume they would not build a large nuclear powered carrier.

    But.

    Even a large conventional carrier traditionally requires at least one (possibly two) nuclear powered attack submarines for escort. Conventional submarines (of any type real or proposed) don't have the range or the speed to operate as carrier group escorts.

    So to deploy a real carrier battle group the Germans would need to not only build the carrier and the air wing but also 8-12 other specialty equipped vessels.
     
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    It would be intelligent for the Germans to build some kind of naval capabilities in the Baltic and North seas, but carrier groups seem a bit out of their reach...

    Besides, the point should be something akin to what Iran aims to achieve the Hormuz, the ability to deny movement. The ability to secure supply lines to and from Russia seems critical to German interests.

    I'm not very educated on military matters, but I do think that subs and missile systems should be the focus of any German naval buildup. I'm inclined to agree with Gnoib on this one, political posturing.
     
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    Remember that most of the carriers deployed by nations other than the U.S. are strictly "vanity" projects.
     
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    BS! And it's not airflow that is detected it's airwaves. As in RF airwaves.

    The concept of passive radar detection using reflected ambient radio signals emanating from a distant transmitter is not new. The first radar experiments in the United Kingdom in 1935 by Robert Watson-Watt demonstrated the principle of radar by detecting a Handley Page Heyford bomber at a distance of 12 km using the BBCshortwave transmitter at Daventry.
     
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    Considering Germany is only authorized to defends it's borders as per the UN, why is an aircraft carrier needed when airbases in Germany serve the same purpose? Germany, a country that went to war with the world twice already wants to once again build it's military to start a war with the world!
     
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    US isn't Germany's enemy. Russia is.
     
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    In that case the germans are confused

    They think russia and iran are their friends and the US is their enemy
     
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    WW1 wasn't Germany against the rest of the world.
    It was everyone against everyone.
     
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    They don't think so. Only Germany's right and left extremists love Russia. Iran as an Islamic Theocracy never was a friend of the German administration.
     
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    Ok if you say so

    There is a poster on this forum alleging to be german with a very pro iranian anti American attitude
     
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    I think this guy is a right-wing extremist. Those are a minority in Germany.
    Their views are rejected by most people.
     
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    I said Radio waves Not airflow. Learn english
     

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