Rouhani warns: ‘War with Iran is the mother of all wars’

You have an excellent grasp of the situation. Israel is slowly taking over the rest of the West Bank and East Jerusalem. They will simply kill Palestinians who resist.

For Trump its about being in the spotlight.

 

When it comes to Wahabi Arabia, I see you are still doing their bidding. No use talking to you about them.

As for the UAE, however, they did lose some of their nerves, started to hedge their bets recently, but the US is trying to get them back in the mold. The meeting they arranged between the UAE and Israel the other day to "coordinate security issues" is part of that process.

 

Saudi Arabia doesn't want to control Iran nor do they want a foothold on Iranian soil. What is it you think the Saudis want?

Iran has been in the soup for 40 years.. Whose fault is that?

 

Yeah.. okay. But a few quibbles. Chemical weapons were on that WMD list. They were actively searching
for them. I suspect, using the ol' Occam's Razor technique, that the Gulf War II (remember when the Left
opposed the first Gulf War? Kind of forgotten now.) was largely the child of one person, Bush Jnr. His own
staff warned him against this - you don't go occupying an Arab nation. I understand that Hussein attempted
to kill his father - and there was a personal animus there.
As for the oil. I believe China and France got the Iraqi contracts.
If I was Bush Jnr and that journalist threw a shoe at me, I would have liked to have caught it and proudly
declared that journalist was in a new country where it was possible to actually insult someone in office and
not lose your life, and those of your family, and maybe even your village.

 

Ultimately, and in a nutshell, its the "fault" of IRAN wanting to be independent.

p.s.
Please don't imagine I give the Saudis more credit than they are worth. Ultimately, even when they were pushing the US to confront Iran, they were just lackeys doing someone else's bidding.

 

If and or when Iran pushes us to this point you will be rooting g for Iran and hoping for US failure as we systematically destroy their military and industrial structures.

 

Isn't Iran independent now? Who controls them? Russia?

Do the Iranian people have any influence on their government?

 

Iran is as independent as we have in this age and time, but that is exactly what some don't like to see. As for the Iranian people and their influence on their government, regardless of what you might have heard, that influence is there. The Iranian revolution was clearly a popular revolution and the system of government in Iran was adopted by a referendum that had overwhelming support. Iran's elections, even when much of the effort from the anti-regime crowd and the anti-Iran crowd has been to convince the public to not participate, are among elections which have the greatest level of public participation anywhere and are often as contested vigorously as anywhere else. There are certainly many issues and failings with Iran's government and its system, but the last person to want to talk about them is someone who holds a brief for the Wahhabi kingdom!

p.s.
I don't want to ruffle any feathers here, as I enjoy the comments of many of the pro Russian posters in this forum. But ultimately, and very clearly, Russia is a non-entity in Iran and Iranian politics. Part of it is their own fault, though, as there are many Iranians who wouldn't mind counterbalancing the Americans by building closer ties to the Russians. But, alas, the Russians haven't shown reliable enough, have twisted relations with Iran's biggest adversary, namely Israel, and occasionally in places like Syria act more as a rival than as a partner.

 

I always thought the Iranian revolution was a student movement that was highjacked by the Ayatollah.

 

Another time, and another place, I will give you my account on the Iranian revolution. The story isn't told properly and deserves a much better understanding than that which prevails among even educated people in the West.

 

I'd like to know. It seemed to me that Iran quite suddenly became more Islamic to their detriment.

And I do get that they were tired of the Shah.

 

I thought war with China was the mother of all wars.

 

Everyone loses in a war on Iran.... and the whole region would suffer a 50 year set back.

Look at Syria.. Kids couldn't go to school.. No vaccinations.. Gross poverty and 6 million Syrians have fled the country.

 

This forum is not about me. It is about the topic. The US is the one in the wrong here. Not all American's agree with the US action. My own country may be dragged into assistance before we can change Government - and of course Pompeo has promised to interfere with British sovereignty and make sure Corbyn is not elected.

 

Okay, but some other time.

But one correction to what you said: while Iran's government became much more "Islamic", the Iranian people have, if anything, become less so. Even the revolutionary guards understand this and have stated it publicly just recently. While I don't agree with some of the commentary in these articles, the quote recounted below from a revolutionary guards public affairs/media officer is symptomatic and telling:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/03/opinion/iran-trump-sanctions.html
As Islamism Fades, Iran Goes Nationalist
https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/or...-soleimani-quds-force-irgc-islamic-state.html
Revolution at 40: IRGC turns to new nationalism to win over Iran

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blo...ign-is-bolstering-iran-s-revolutionary-guards
‘Maximum Pressure’ Campaign Is Bolstering Iran’s Revolutionary Guards

 

Everyone, except perhaps the real forces behind these policies. The neocons and their partners in Israel couldn't care less about the victims you mentioned. They honestly don't care much for even Americans who may suffer as a consequence. Nor for what may happen to the "global economy" or anything else. Their focus and interest lies elsewhere.

 

Iran could choose to IGNORE Israel and just do the right thing.

 

Come on, most of the male Muslims are dying to date the 72 virgins in Heaven.
They crave for the end of the world.

 

You don't really believe that lie, do you?

 

It's not what I believe, it's what they believe.

 

Nope. Its what YOU believe because you are uneducated. You are deceived by Trump patter.

 

You are just jealous. You think your hubby won't swap you for 72 virgins? Yeah, keep dreaming.

 

There are no 72 virgins in the Koran. My husband is a Methodist.

 

So, where do you think they got that idea, the Sunna? The Hadit?

 

There are over 30 allegories describing heaven in the Koran... like.. my father's house has many mansions.

I really don't expect you to think or learn anything.