Should people have a right to sleep on city streets?

Not talking about locking anybody up. We do however need to provide legal places to live after we make a city they currently live in so hostile that they are forced to relocate.

 

Being NIMBY solves your problem but not the problem

 

There should be designated shelters .. in various locations ... an area where residential property value is low.

 

Not if they know the anti-vagrancy laws are being enforced.

You can't be serious.

Pretty sure He never dropped a load on anybody's doorstep.

 

Sleeping on city streets isn't in and of itself a bad thing. What comes with it though is public defecation, crime, impeding safe passage of others on public sidewalks, and imposing on private property owners. All of that can be regulated or outlawed.

You can give them a defined area to squat in and service it with port-a-potties, drinking fountains, and public showers, but providing for them will only invite more of them. There is a business that I work at frequently in Fort Worth. I don't like going there at night. It is near a homeless shelter. The street is covered with tents and people sleeping with tarps or trash bags for covers. Some are living in their cars and shower at the center. I often see bum fights over garbage. It's pretty depressing. Here is a googlemaps view of the street. There were no tents on this particular day, but this is what Austin can expect on a broader scale. Walk around the neighborhood and enjoy.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/1...a4c02aae3623ad!8m2!3d32.7446513!4d-97.3143542

 

If you were t serious, I’d be laughing at your jab at women who believe in equal rights..as though it isn’t usually the women who care for the families.
Someone said that the families should be responsible and I was just trying to make the point that there is no legal responsibility. ..nothing more But of course being an extremist you jump to the conclusion that I wouldn’t be responsible for my family‘s well-being I know of a wonderful woman whose child is a drug addict and after years and years of taking care of him and supporting him She stopped.
Many homeless people have been disowned by their families for good reasons.everyone is an individual and to know what you would do, is not necessarily true. You don’t know u til you’re in the position

 

Why not list the cities with the most poverty? How about listing the top cities for the educated?for great medicine? For great industries?

 

But non-Chinatown business DO tolerate them?

As in force them to have a job?

 

SG?

 

I'm saying that your solution should start with not making it perfectly legal to live and sh*t on the street! Then you would at least be at our level!

No, just raise the issue. Haven't you ever just raised an issue before without "volunteering to solve the problem?" OF COURSE you have!

 

At an acceptable cost to the tax payer?

 

Yes, I should've specified: "...no extra cost to us..."

of course the homeless come with a cost, however that cost will be much higher if they're in jail or other govt provided housing.

The notion that they'll go live in the woods (or w/e you think they'll do instead of sleeping on the street) to avoid jail doesnt sound realistic.

 

Yeah, seems like a terrible policy.

 

Did it require this law to be repealed though? Were people actually being taken to jail for sleeping on the street?

 

Well what Republican cities compare to LA, San Francisco and Seattle?

 

We ALREADY 'provide' legal places to live. Houses, apartments, shelters, etc etc etc. The world is full of legal residences. It's up to them whether they want to avail themselves, or not.

With respect, you're not making any sense. Your argument is the equivalent of me saying I'd like to camp out on a beach, but the laws make it so hostile that I'm forced to live in a house. It's nonsensical.

 

1) She's responsible for his state, she's his mother. She made him.

2) And what made you imagine that it was a one way street? Interdependence is just that. EVERY member of the family is responsible for every other member, and is therefore obliged to remain intact and useful for just that purpose. If someone can't be bothered to raise your kids with those fundamental values, they clearly don't care for family life and should not expect to be helped when the poop hits the fan.

 

Apparently, since that's where they are.

As in, don't offer them the option. They can do what they like beyond that.

 

The option of what?

 

The option to opt out, by providing resources with no strings attached. Humans take the path of least resistance. Pretending that human nature is already evolved beyond that - purely to avail ourselves of cheap and easy virtue - is grand hubris. A hubris indulged by the First World with abandon.

 

The context, as I understand it, is in when the designated shelters are full. The SC ruled (according to another poster) that its unconstitutional to make homelessness a crime when the shelters are full. Which I presume means its lawful to jail them for refusing to use available shelters.

Im guessing places like Seattle, Portland, SanFran, etc have perpetually full shelters.

 

It also may be relevent to the topic to consider squatters rights, which can be claimed under certain circumstances, which include habitating a property for a certain amount of time. I know around here up in the hills one can basically camp/live wherever they want for (iirc) 90 days at a time, after which some legalities make 'eviction' difficult, so Forest Service, BLM, F&W, etc will force folks to leave their campsite for a day so they can't try to claim squatters rights and create an expensive court battle. They can come back after that day, iirc. I suspect this is a part of the homeless dynamic in urbania as well.

 

republicans ran CA for a time, but they usually leave town when businesses start to leave on dems stay to help run it

but there are many poor republicna cities too

 

if the law was not being enforced, they it was already basically repealed

 

if it was that easy for mentally ill people to do, they would be doing it

if it's so easy to set them on the right path, then lets help them