Should people have a right to sleep on city streets?

No.
Those are public streets. For all to use.

 

probably because there is nowhere for them to go. they'd most likely just find another sidewalk to sleep on. It's a no-win scenario for the city.

 

I don't think anyone has a problem with anyone living in a hole. Just on the street.

 

You don't think that people from outside the city will be attracted to it with it being perfectly legal?

 

Well I'm sure that homeless people would say that they are using the street to sleep on!

 

Why are no children involved?

 

I was not referring to men with children. That would be a different facility should they be the sole custodian.

 

On the street?

 

Well then women without children would be different again wouldn't it?

 

What does current law say?

 

Yes ... support needs to vary on the basis of children.

 

As in a separate facility for women without children.

 

correct

 

Current laws says that private individuals and organizations cannot compel others to accept their services if they don't want to.

 

Sure, but they can offer can't they?

 

I'm not sure there needs to be 4 separate types of facilities. One facility can surely serve parent and child as well as individuals.

 

Shortage of housing is the primary cause of homelessness. Housing shortages flow from the erosion of private property rights. When politicians can tell people what they can and can't build on a piece of land they own, they simply don't build. When people don't build to meet the influx of refugees from 3rd world states like CA, prices rise beyond the budgets of normal people.

The problem with Austin is they have elected Democrats who think they know better what people should build than the people who own the property and are expected to take the risks.

The cause of homelessness is, therefore, Democrats

 

You mean vacant land?

Well maybe not the cause of all homelessness, but certainly they're why the problem is as bad as it is in these cities.

 

Of course they can and they do. But as long as the weather is good a hell of a lot of them would rather be out of sight and out of mind, paranoid schizophrenics tend to be like that.

 

I imagine many homeless people helped pay for the streets before they fell on hard times. If they are tucked to the side and not causing an obstruction...well doesn't everybody have the right to do something as basic as sleep?

 

I think it depends on the individual person; some may not be attracted to the city; others may be attracted and others may not care one way or another.

 

You seem to place great faith in the power of the criminal sanction. I do not.

I did not say that they want to be in jail. I said that in many cases, for many mindsets, spending time in jail can be much better that begging on the street and sleeping on concrete in a cardboard box. Much better.

The current situation proves that neither you nor those making decisions are in command of the situation. It has not declined in years, it has become worse.

More importantly, people like you seem afraid to examine the reasons WHY so many are in that situation.

I do often give to pan-handlers and homeless. It's amazing the many reasons they offer, and it is sadly disappointing as a veteran that so many of those are veterans suffering PTSD and more.

 

In the context of addressing the problem of homeless people destroying a community based upon them defecating on busy public streets, the WHY of them being homeless is entirely irrelevant. There are plenty of contexts where the WHY is entirely relevant, but this is not one of them. In this context, the only thing that is relevant is the HOW to solve the problem of them defecating in the public square. That HOW is the proper use of the law. If you think that you are going to come up with a solution to end mentally ill and drug addicts from living on the streets....you are not, so you better figure out how to stop them from sh*tting in the streets. If you want to simultaneously enact policies to address the "why" by all means do so, but you better ALSO address the immediate problem of their chosen location to take a dump. This conversation is about the latter. Please stay focused.

You act as if the crisis in LA and San Francisco is happenstance, when in reality it is a direct result of them ceasing to police the problem.

"People like you" need to stop living in your emotion based delusional bubble and start using logic rooted in reality.

 

Use as toilets?

 

I'm not the problem. I did not make loans to those unqualified buyers, the banking industry did, and it did all sorts of shady things. It was all over the news years ago. My god-daughter and her husband were seduced by sleazy tactics, went through the bankruptcy thing but survived with the help of family and friends.

As I've already said, sorry to repeat, I do interact with some of the homeless. I do pass out the random $5 and $10 bills. I do talk to them. It is sad how many ARE veterans, at least in my experience.