Thousands of Russians rally to demand free elections

Durandel can I ask you a question. How can Reuters know what is going on in Russia when according to you and others Russia doesn't have a free press?

 

It is called investigative journalism and Reuters is not Russian. All it really takes is a few Russians willing to talk.

 

It’s a conspiracy ! it’s a conspiracy ! it’s a conspiracy ! I knew it I knew it I knew it. I hope you are sharing these facts but then again who can’t share facts because everyone is part of the conspiracy

 

Are you seriously trying to pretend like the CIA hasn't orchestrated dozens of revolutions and coups throughout its history?

 

Isn't it funny how Democrats and Republicans rig their own primaries, yet go around screeching about the lack of democracy inside Russia?

 

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"The demonstrators have been demanding that opposition candidates be allowed to stand in the election. Around 30 of them - mostly running as independents - have been dropped from the race by the election commission which said they had too many fake voter signatures."

Sounds like a fringe minority trying to use fraud to manufacture the perception of a majority.

 

Well, then what are they afraid of?

 

Probably more fraud.

 

The DNC excluded Tulsi Gabbard from their second debate even though she has 160,000 unique donors and is polling at 3% in a RCP average of New Hampshire voters. Maybe Russia is just taking a page out of the DNC playbook?

 

Why was the Republican party afraid of Ron Paul in 2012? Why was the Democratic party afraid of Bernie Sanders in 2016? Why is the Democratic party afraid of Tulsi Gabbard in 2019?

 

More fraud by whom? The marginal opposition candidates who rely on “fake signatures” to get on a ballot?
You do realize that voter fraud is committed by a sitting power because they can instruct law enforcement to close their eyes on violations? Or are you claiming that Pootin and his cronies are going to commit voter fraud to get a candidate in opposition to them elected as a mayor of Russian capital?

 

We are not talking about a party excluding a particular candidate (like a dirty trick against Sanders in 2016).
We are talking about official election commission disqualifying candidates that are in opposition to current order.
But to you it’s OK. Russians have nothing to complain about. And if they come out and protest then they were bought by the CIA.

 

I'm saying when a candidate uses fraud to get in the election, its a good bet they plan to use fraud to try to win it.

 

As well as those that claim American government is horrible while claiming that no protest or revolution can happen in other hands without CIA. As if those people are just mindless apes incapable of independent thought who would never know they are abused without enlightened American CIA telling them they are a frog in a boiling water.

I’m not putting words in your mouth. You said it yourself - absolute majority of the protesters are working for CIA. Which implies that Russians have absolutely nothing to be dissatisfied with, therefore only paid CIA spies would come out and protest their heavenly existence on Earth. After all - Russia is the greatest country on Earth, with great government, giant economy and excellent track record on human rights. The USA is like a hood criminal compared to the great and fair Russian government.

 

How can you commit voter fraud if you don’t control cops and people working at polling stations? Do you think in Russia you can just walk in to multiple polling stations and just vote as many times as you please? Do you realize that residency laws are strictly enforced in Russia?

Commission of the voter fraud in Russia without cooperation of the sitting government is impossible.

 

At the end of the day, what's the damn difference?

There you go again, making things up because you cannot rebut my actual words. Let me know when you decide to be honest, okay?

 

Are you suggesting the Putin regime has a monopoly on corruption?

 

I never said any of that.

 

Difference is begger than an elephant in the room. One is the action of a political party, a non-profit political organization with paid membership and another is the action by the government which affect everyone under the jurisdiction of that government.
I can’t believe I have to explain it to you!

You just can’t say anything about the truth - you believe Russians are incapable of making rational thoughts, they cannot disagree with their governments actions, therefore only paid CIA spies would come out and protest.

 

Your words:

Which implies that Russians are incapable of rational thought and making up their own mind. This statement illustrates your belief that only CIA spies would protest Russian government, which must mean that the Russians are incapable of independent thought, or their government is so excellent that there is absolutely nothing wrong with it, therefore it’s impossible for a real Russian to come out and protest.

 

The political party in question constitutes a major part of the government. And its actions also affect everyone in the country. I cannot believe I have to explain that to you. Furthermore, the US government, through its election rules and regulations, actively excludes and suppresses third parties, which is why every single president in the past 200+ years has come from one of two political parties.

I believe this relatively tiny protest movement is irrelevant and probably influenced in some way by the CIA. You cannot refute that position, so you're reduced to inventing positions that I never took.

 

When it comes to political power - you bet! There is no opposition to Pootin even on governor level.

 

Russians support Putin overwhelmingly, yet you have no respect for their judgement or their intellect, so why I should treat this protest movement as anything but useful pawns on a CIA chessboard? Because that's exactly what they are. Sacrificial lambs being used and exploited by CIA puppet masters who want to initiate some kind of color revolution inside Russia. Except it will never succeed, and those protesters will likely wind up imprisoned, maimed, or dead. Meanwhile, the Ivy league assh*les in Langley orchestrating it will be safe and warm and cozy as they watch their revolution get crushed on CNN.

 

So Putin controls everything in Russia... must mean a lot of Russians support him.

 

Every time I vote I see more then two presidential candidates on the ballot. Nobody excludes them.
Your point is null and void.

Again, this means you believe Russians can’t think for themselves and chose to protest. It must be the CIA. Why would Russians protest, right? Their human rights are excellent! Freedom of speech is all over, independent journalists are flocking to Russia seeking protection from American persecution! Economy? Forget about it - all Russians are driving Maseratis, and those who don’t drive have personal drivers, primarily Uzbeks. Also, each Russian receives a pile of cash each month, just for being awesome Russians!

You cannot prove your position. I don’t need to refute something you cannot reliably prove. All you do is rely on whataboutism. I mean, of course Ron Paul has direct connection to Russian protests - that’s why you brought him up.