Thousands of Russians rally to demand free elections

No, it means his security team supports him and he shares with his cronies.

Pootins national guard, internal force subordinated directly to him is 400,000 heads. That’s way more than police force.

 

Uh... the Berlin Wall fell 30 years ago.. All those other things (including Russia becoming free and then an autocracy again) are a good deal more recent than that. Have you just been re-reading Fukuyama or what?

 

Lol... no one has a monopoly on corruption.

Putin isn't a god.

 

Great! Then why not allow them to vote for opposition?

I entertain the idea that at least some of them are capable of rational thought.

Again, you are implying that people in Russia cannot be dissatisfied with their government. Funny to hear that from someone like you, who supposedly lives in the US, where quality of life is magnitudes above that or Russia and who hates American government, yet sees no credible reason for Russians to ever comeback out and protest their government. Must mean you believe Russian government is the center of global governance excellence, their economy is above and beyond, their human rights are squeaky clean and they all live happily ever after.

Just admit you are a Russian. This last piece just shows it. You are rooting for your masters, and those who oppose them are stupid animals incapable of independent thought, unable to see the wrongs of their government. But when it comes to American government - all Americans who don’t see it as an absolute evil are idiots (tm - your words). Russia will win this war with CIA while ruining the lives of thousands of its citizens for daring to speak up their minds! Hurray! Cheers to mother Russia! Cheers to the bear!

 

Are you guys forgetting that the Premier of Russia was once head of the KGB? I cannot figure how you could possibly find a CIA operative brave or stupid enough to do what you are suggesting and believe he would have been caught and on Russian TV probably before he even left the States.

 

Do you read Russian?

Read this, or use google translate:

https://blog.newsru.com/article/30aug2019/rus_army

Pootin does have a monopoly on corruption. No marginal opposition candidate is capable of committing voter fraud on such a level as to become a mayor of Moscow.

 

The only third party that has presidential ballot access in all fifty States is the Libertarian Party. And that's only because it was founded by two billionaires who could afford to jump through all the legal loopholes erected by Republicans and Democrats. Otherwise, every other party is essentially excluded from the process. Not only in terms of their ballot access, but also in terms of their ability to reach Americans through television and other forms of news media. Ross Perot was the only presidential candidate in recent memory that was able to mount a semi-meaningful challenge to the duopoly of Republicans and Democrats, and that was only because he, too, was a billionaire. The US congress is populated largely by millionaires. The current US president is a billionaire. The only people who are allowed to meaningfully participate in the US electoral process are millionaires and billionaires. Only a total liar and moron would try to argue that the US electoral system is open, fair, or democratic.

Far more Russians support Putin than support this tiny protest movement. Yet you do nothing but express your utter contempt for everything Putin does or represents. So if anyone is disdainful of the Russian character and intellect, then it's you.

I never said I could prove it. I merely said that I suspected CIA involvement, which is eminently reasonable given the CIA's notorious history of fomenting unrest inside adversarial nations. You cannot deny that the CIA has such a history, nor can you deny the likelihood of CIA machinations inside Russia, so you resort to imaginings and fake positions in an attempt to distract people from the truth. No doubt, you will manage to convince some of the lesser intellects who are reading our exchange, but intelligent people will not be convinced by your dishonest tactics.

Pointing out the phoniness and insincerity of your imperialist agenda isn't whataboutism.

Ron Paul is the perfect example of how the US political system corruptly works against anti-establishment candidates who have demonstrated significant levels of popular support. So how can you point your finger at Russia while the US political system is engaged in dirty tricks against the American people?

 

Russia has a population of 144 million. So how does Putin and his 400,000 minions control everything in Russia without significant levels of popular support? Magical powers?

 

Apparently Putin is the only one that can commit fraud in Russia. I'd call that magic.

If true, he should stay in power, lest he become angered and smite us all with his lightning gaze.

 

All of that is bovine excrement. I always see at least 5-6 candidates on the ballot. If establishment was suppressing them they wouldn’t be an option.

Okay, wise-arse - how are you going to pay for those adds? How are you going strong to get your message across? Do you think Facebook or CNN will run your ads for you for free?

Oh, so now you are just running your mouth - CIA is this, CIA is that, color revolution, Nazis, America is evil, Russia is the best, etc, etc.
Thanks for clarifying.

Yes it is. The subject of the conversation is the protest in Moscow. Your claims about CIA managed to get you to Ron Paul. That’s what whataboutism does. I’m surprised you didn’t bring up the war in Vietnam.

Every political system does dirty tricks, but what’s happening in the US is not even close to the crap that is happening in Russia. If Pootin was the POTUS, the Lemon from CNN would have suicided himself and the CNN would become a US government held corporation. You would never see a single word of criticism toward POTUS from American mass media.
So, yes, I can point my finger at russia.

 

I'm an American, born and raised. My family has been in this country since the early 1700's, before the US government even existed. My family has fought in every major war in this country's history. And I served four years in the United States Marine Corps during the War on Terror, so I got to see firsthand just how big of liars the US government really is. And I also got to see just how horrific US imperialism is. I got to see entire cities reduced to rubble by US bombs. I got to see innocent Iraqis shred to pieces by US bullets and artillery rounds. I know several Marines who killed themselves after they came back from Iraq due to guilt. I know other Marines who lost limbs or returned with serious psychological problems. Meanwhile, big banks and arms manufactures just keep getting richer and richer. And US debt keeps getting bigger and bigger. But instead of trying to fix the problems in America, and to make America a better place, people like you demand that I become obsessed with whatever is happening in Russia or Ukraine or Syria or Venezuela - everywhere except my own country. And not only do you want me to become obsessed with these foreign distractions, you want me to help send billions of American dollars into these quagmires that have nothing to do with my life or my community. And that is why I am very skeptical that you are an American. More likely, you are just another eastern European from Ukraine or Lithuania or Poland pretending to be an American because you want to steal our money and use our power for your own regional blood feuds.

 

Propaganda, putting people in prison for things as petty as sharing a post on social media that criticizes the government, etc.
When you own all TV channels you get to set the agenda of what they are talking about.

 

Everything I said was factually correct.

The only third party with ballot access in all fifty States is the Libertarian Party, and it was founded by the Kochs who are billionaires.

The only third party candidate that ever mounted a serious challenge to the Republican and Democratic duopoly was Ross Perot, another billionaire.

The majority of the US congress are millionaires.

The US president is a billionaire.

The front-runner in the Democratic primary is a multimillionaire.

The majority of election coverage in the US is controlled by the billionaires who own the major media conglomerates.

A study by ivy league academics determined, using rigorous statistical methodology, that the US was an oligarchy, not a democracy.

Given this, it takes an astonishing level of dishonesty to act like the US political system is open and fair. It clearly is not.

Some countries, like Switzerland, Norway, Canada, Germany, etc., have a mix of publicly and privately funded campaigns. They also provide some level of free advertising to political candidates. Others place restrictions on how much advertising parties are allowed to do. So, yes, there are numerous viable alternatives to how the US system works.

I suspect CIA involvement. And it's a very reasonable suspicion given the CIA's history and motives.

Pointing out your hypocrisy isn't whataboutism.

I don't really care what happens in Russia. That's the point. I only care about what happens in America. I want to fix my country. I want to make my country better. A foreigner like you wouldn't understand.

 

The US has the largest prison population on the entire planet. It has a higher incarceration rate than Russian or China. And most of the people rotting away in the US prison system are nonviolent drug offenders.

And propaganda? Nobody does propaganda like the US government. Whether it's the "war on drugs" or the "war on terror", almost everything the US government says is a lie fed to them by their corporate overlords.

 

So, you have a PTSD. Get yourself a dog or something.

Oh, you are also a communist now?

So is the money supply, which has direct relationship to debt.

Nobody is asking you to do anything. Conversation is about protests in Moscow. And there is no proof of CIA having anything to do with these events.

I never hide the fact that I’m a naturalized US citizen. Born in Kyiv, Ukraine. Speak Ukrainian, Russian and English. So, I actually know about Russia a bit more than you, unless you are a Russian troll who pretends to be an American.

 

It’s nice to see that at least some Russians are sick of this crooked scumbag’s dictatorship. I wish them well.

 

They WTF are you in conversation about protests on Moscow?

 

Here is a picture from a pro-Putin rally held in Moscow:



Notice how it absolutely dwarfs the minuscule protest being celebrated by Durandal and Dimon. But perhaps Putin used his mind control powers to coax them there?

 

China executed thousands of its citizens every year. That tends to keep your population low.
Russia has much shorter sentences. For example - murder is 14 years, rape is 3-5 years, etc. When a rich son of a member of Russian parliament runs over your daughter he will just pay a few hundred dollars and will be on his way. Is that the justice system you want?

 

Because every discussion about Russia on this forum that is started by people like you and Durandal is intended to further the isolation and destabilization of the Russian government. And I don't want my tax dollars going towards such a crazy and dangerous agenda, which is why I try to throw as many wrenches into your narratives as possible. I'm sick of watching American resources squandered on these endless foreign interventions. And I would also like to minimize the tensions between the USA and Russia because I fear a world-ending nuclear war.

 

Nobody denies the fact that Pootin enjoys support.
You are the one denying the possibility that Russians can oppose Pootin without CIA intervention.

 

I want a justice system that is liberal and democratic. Unfortunately, the US government is strongly opposed to liberalism and democracy. As for what happens inside China and Russia, I don't really care. That's their business. If you want to make it your business, then go right ahead. Just don't pretend like America as a whole has to go along with your quixotic obsessions.

 

I'm not denying that at all. I'm sure there are Russians who oppose Putin for entirely legitimate reasons having nothing to do with the CIA. You're who refuses to consider the possibility that Russians like Putin more than they like your idea of what Russia should be. You're the one who is disdainful of the Russian intellect and character, not me.

 

Protests in Moscow will not have such affect. Besides, us discussing the subject won’t have affect on the events whatsoever.

Again, we are talking about protests in Moscow. No tax dollar spent. Russians are capable of rational thought and believe it or not, not all of them agree with Pootin.

MAD is a myth.

 

I think you should worry more about the massive corruption inside your own government.