Pelosi to announce formal impeachment inquiry of Trump

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  1. Bluesguy

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    He hasn't said it was a singular reason.
     
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    As conservative Republicans like George Conway has opined, there are already ample reasons for impeachment, but I agree that the telephone transcript and whistleblower complaint should first be exposed.

    Conservative Republicans like former prosecutor Bill Weld charging treason before the evidence has been submitted is premature.
     
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    The transcript evidence is so damning Trump is releasing it tomorrow. This circus is DOA in the Senate even if it passes the House. They will never prove a quid pro quo. Let's make sure Biden is included in the investigation. Once again the Democrats show they have nothing to offer the average American to improve their lives.
     
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    RINO's, not conservatives.
     
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    And it isn't up to Congress to oversee his conduct of foreign affairs.
     
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    Sackeshi Well-Known Member

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    Well if it was for reasons other than getting dirt on his political opponent, I am sure he would have a solid reason he did it.

    Why the **** would anyone who is not one of the Racists/bigots in the GOP not support kicking his ass out of the white house, you get Pence who is actually pro life and pro gun. Unlike Trump who is Pro choice when its his mistresses, anti gun as he has shown, and horrible economically.
     
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    And it will then also lend credence to the theory of climate change being a Chinese hoax.
     
  8. Sackeshi

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    Have you read the constitution the congress is supposed to oversee the executive branch thats why they get to approve impeach, convict, and legislate.
     
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    Traditional Republicans with a libertarian bent, not RINOs of Trumpery.
     
  10. raytri

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    No, not when that U.S. citizen hasn't been charged with any U.S. crimes. It's the FBI's job to investigate stuff like that, not Ukraine's. Ukraine was free to investigate Biden for violating Ukrainian law, but they weren't doing that, and it's not the president's place to push a foreign country to investigate a U.S. citizen who isn't facing U.S. charges.

    I mean, seriously: you're trying to argue that it's A-OK for a president to ask a foreign country to open an investigation into his main political rival. Really? That's the kind of country you think we live in? That you WANT to live in?

    Time for Constitution 101:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_oversight

    Congressional oversight power is well established in history and Supreme Court precedent.
    https://law.justia.com/constitution/us/article-1/05-congressional-investigations.html

    Executive privilege is a very narrow exception to that power, and it must be claimed. For the most part, Trump hasn't done that: he has simply directed his administration to ignore essentially all Congressional requests for information.
     
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    Proof that Trump used his office to pressure a foreign government to dig up dirt on an opponent.

    Transcripts of Trump call to Ukraine will be released tomorrow. Trump intentionally chose to release AFTER the dems held their impeachment meeting.

    So when this Ukraine thing dies down, what will the next conspiracy thing be?
     
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    Lmao always what people do when they’re lying. Keep trying until something works.
    So how many instances of corruption did he raise with the Ukraine? Wanna guess?
     
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    Actually, that should be a TURBO LASER CANNON instead of a simple pointer. If the Democrats think this is going to end well for them they really are delusional. All this is going to do is show the whole world just how completely corrupt and abusive JOE BIDEN and his child were when Democrats held power. It's all going to come out. Trump has, once again, done nothing wrong (although he did this is a rather 'indelicate' way, as usual).

    Final result: Biden is going to be revealed to be EXACTLY what he is -- an overbearing purely political creature who grew used to using the power of an office to get what he wanted for his regime, and his family. Biden is going DOWN, and he's going to take every Democrat member in the House who votes for this 'impeachment' farce with him!

     
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    LOL just like he said he would release his taxes?

    You really think he will release everything? If he does it will show that he thinks he is above the law because evidence will show exactly what he did.
     
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    The longest hunting season on record, from November of 2016 to September of 2019.

    What can go wrong ?
     
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    The purpose of the investigation based on probable cause is to determine if the law was broken. And President push foreign governments all the time.



    For the various departments and officials they confirm. The President is co-equal and does not report to the Congress and has plenary powers when it comes to foreign policy and matters.

    Not for himself and he has that privilege with his political and legal advisers.
     
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    Why include the accusation against Biden? It's nothing more than deflecting away with what Trump did.
     
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    If you say so.
     
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    He said as much yesterday ... before completely changing his story today.

    Good. If it exonerates Trump, even better. I strongly prefer no impeachment.

    But if he tried to pressure Ukraine to investigate Biden, there will be little choice but to impeach.
     
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    For the original cause, corruption in his dealings with Ukraine and quid pro quos having to do with his sons enrichment at their hands.
     
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    Why? Biden was admitting he blackmailed Ukraine and we know his son was enriched by them for basically nothing. We have no choice but to investigate that and the cooperation from Ukraine which he was seeking is vital to that.
     
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    Sorry, but there is literally zero evidence of corruption on Biden's part, as has been pointed out multiple times.

    Here's conservative Jonah Goldberg calling BS on the claim:
    https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-09-23/trump-ukraine-biden-military-aid


    The allegation that Biden’s son Hunter, is guilty of sketchy business practices seems legitimate enough — he accepted a paid seat on the board of a Ukrainian business that had been under investigation at a time when his father, as vice president, had direct dealings with the Ukrainian government on corruption issues. But the charge that Biden was freelancing foreign policy to protect his son simply doesn’t hold water if you spend five minutes reading up on it.

    Biden was acting on orders from President Obama in coordination with allies and State Department policy to force the former Russia-backed Ukrainian regime to fire a dirty prosecutor who was failing to properly investigate corruption, including at the firm Hunter Biden worked with.


    Joe Biden was VP, not president. He simply did not have the authority to threaten Ukraine on his own. What he did was at the direction of Obama, and in cooperation with allies.

    So please, stop peddling that partisan crap.
     
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    They are actually helping Trump get re elected.
     
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    Nothing happened yet and you're already criticizing him. Have much of an open mind do ya?
     
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    I dunno how you or anybody else would judge Trump differently depending if somebody else is being investigated. If Trump abused his power over this, it still would not matter at all if Biden is being investigated or not, if he's guilty of something or not.

    In short: the judgement on Trump should be blind. And you're demanding it may not be like that and tossing away the cornerstone of a fair trial.
     

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