We Support Donald Trump II

Warmongers running for reelection are going to be punished hard by the voters.
I doubt that there is enough war industry donor money to keep most of them in office.

 

No way would I give him the win that easily. Trump is being helped by the ineptitude of Blue. Trump is also helping Blue - helping them to get out the Blue vote.

This election - as was the last - will be decided by the every growing anti Establishment middle - and if you think this group was in a foul mood last election ... this one is going to be even worse ... and the ranks of the AE - middle have grown.

Do you seriously think people actually like Trump ? - other than his hard core base ? I don't think so ... BUT - the Dems keep giving people the chance to root for the underdog. If they would just shut up .. and focus on their message - something that is not almost as extreme on the left as Trump is batty ... this election would be a cakewalk.

Last time Trump had the benefit of the doubt .. we didn't know for sure about Trump but we knew for sure that Hillary was and Establishment wonk .. further - she was caught messing with our electoral process .. messing with Bernie. How many Bernie supporters just stayed home ?

That and she was so off putting - with her arrogant, condescending personality - "nails on the chalkboard listening to her" that even many Dem women did not like her - albeit voting holding nose.

Hillary is not running - and we know that Trump is an Establishment wonk - those that pay attention - and the AE - middle is the group that is most likely to pay attention.

The odds makers are giving Trump close to 50/50 chance of winning 6/5 - almost an even money bet ... at the moment.

 

Can't help wondering what the 2020 elections would be like if Dems had spent all the time, money and energy they've wasted trying to get rid of Trump... on finding and grooming a decent candidate. Another Barack Obama they could all adore. Somebody new who could actually CHALLENGE Donald Trump.

Instead, they've got Biden, Sanders & Warren 3 never-beens who couldn't excite a crowd of 3 year olds.

What a waste of 2 years.

 

Following up in previous post ... Pence is paying 50 to 1 to win. 100 dollars gets you 5000 ! - should Trump be impeached - that might look like a very good bet

 

If the election was held today, who would you vote for?

 

Establishment Wonk is factual information? Do you have a link to that fact?

 

We don't have a candidate on the other side yet .. but, the Trump administration is doing tremendous damage to our short and long term economic security.

 

There are many links which show Trump to be an Establishment wonk.

Unless you know what the "Establishment" is though - there is little point in putting up links.

 

Again, your opinion, not fact.

 

I got your gist, Giftedone. You despise Donald Trump, but you've got no alternative. So you'll just have to keep spinning your wheels until somebody gives you a way out.

Bless your heart.

 

Good analysis, but my research into Trump shows that he has always been very hostile to the American political establishment and Wall Street. As a businessman he finessed the politicians, and like many Americans gave reflexive uninformed support for military, intelligence and law enforcement leaders. Note that this has changed for obvious reasons, and the MIC has noticed.

If Trump cannot convince voters like you that he is not an establishment wonk before the next election he may lose, but I think the RP/DP will remove any doubt about the gulf between them and DJT long before the election.

 

You have not even seen the evidence .. and already you are trying to demonize the messenger.

We know the evidence does not matter to you .. Donald could take a dump on your lawn and you would claim it smelled like fresh flowers

 

I wasn't talking about Donald - I was asking you if you knew what the Establishment was.

You are right about the wheel spinning part - Might as well be talking to the wall

 

If the RP/DP removes Trump Pence and the RP will lose most of Trump's base of support and lose bigly.
The RP will join the Whigs in the ash bin, and America will sail into uncharted waters where elections no longer matter and no government will be regarded as legitimate by most Americans.

 

Trump works for the Rothschild/Rockefeller consortia - The folks who bailed him out of Bankruptcy - when Soro's wasn't wasn't available. As soon as he got into power he staked the box with consortia members .. including Wilbur Ross - the agent who actually did one of the Trump Bankruptcies while working for the consortia.

His job is to maintain the status quo - the power structure - maintain or increase power of the big money interests .. and keep the little people divided and subservient. And Trump has done a fine job.

Trump despises the founding principles and the principles of republicanism - individual liberty and limited Gov't power. He has continued the process of increasing police power - while decreasing individual liberty. Just a few weeks ago he lobbied congress to reauthorize the en mass NSA domestic spying program .. his administration has gone after freedom of speech , freedom of the press, freedom of information.

He has added hundreds of billions of dollars to the military industrial complex spend .. maintained our insane healthcare spend 3.5 Trillion in 2017.

The establishment doesn't care about "Abortion, Gay Marriage, Immigration, Guns and so on" these are hot button issues that keep the people divided. The Establishment cares about money and power - maintaining the power structure and the status quo ... keeping the gravy train flowing and the little people in their place .. that that is exactly what Trump has done.

 

That might be true - or .. perhaps the Dems will be so pathetic that the Red contender will look pretty good.

Trump's base is not going to turn around and vote Blue - they are the one's that will vote Red no matter what.

 

Trump's base, which is very bipartisan, is far more radical than the professional analysts report. It will take a new breed of politician to win elections from now on. I knew the American corrupt bipartisan ruling political class was doomed when I saw this poll:

“Record High in U.S. Say Big Government Greatest Threat, Now 72% say it is greater threat than big business or big labor”, by Jeffrey M. Jones, Gallup, 12/18/13.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/166535/r...syndication&utm_content=morelink&utm_term=All

Trump probably noticed that poll or others like it. One way or another the era of Big Bad Government will end

 

You should know that if this was true Trump would be running unopposed by any Democrat or Republican politician.

I think you overestimate the power of the Rothschilds and the banks. Google "Mitterand" "Rothschild bank" for an example of what happens to bankers who fight elected political power.

Trump made sure the banks did not dare to put him out of business.

 

Please do show me evidence our economic security is at risk. I'd love to see your proof of future events.

 

Trump could easily alienate his base of support.
Toomey and Manchin tried and failed to sucker Trump into creating a national gun registry. That would have finished Trump.
Trump would not have been able to keep much of his support if he had gone to war in Syria.
Trump would have lost much of his support if he had not found a way to start building the wall.

But Trump's base does not expect Trump to slay the dragon that is our Big Bad Government without a Congress elected to do just that.

 

Trump has done exceptionally well for being the only guy in Washington that's on his side

 

A link would be nice .. did a quick search and didn't come up with much .. but it matters not .. this is not about one bank or one family.

You are seeming to wander into denial of the obvious land here .. the big money interest and influence in Washington is not some secret .. and Trump has done a whole lot of pandering to these interests.

No idea what you are talking about "made sure the banks did not put him out of business" They bailed him out - had they not he would be out of business.

No idea why you think Trump would be running unapposed - thats ridiculous - they are all establishment wonks - but there are many different competing establishment big money interests. It is not like there is some single cabal or star chamber .. thats not how it works.

 

Everybody says Big Gov't is a threat - anyone who I talk to - that doesn't mean they have any clue how to fix it or what the major problems are. Most don't.

Let me know when we get big money interest out of politics - the MSM - and the bureaucracy. Only then can significant change even begin to happen.

We now live in a propaganda state.

 

Open your eyes - or read. Trump has been waging economic warfare on Most of the world - including our allies and messing with their sovereignty by using the nuclear option - threatening to block their banks and corps our of the international system of payments if they do not go along with his unilateral Iran Sanctions.

I don't need to predict the future because the backlash is already happening. While Trump is going around trying to beat our allies and other nations into submission using a big club .. China and Russia are going around doing deals.

Our corporations used to be front of line .. VIP - now we are just another member of the crowd.

If some nation messed with US sovereignty -how would you react - and the rest of the US... That nation would have a tough time doing business .. back of the bus status.

Why would you think other nations are any different. We used to just whisper our desires into the ear of some nation - and they would come running - as back then we were the only game in town.

We are no longer the only game in town - but Trump is pretending otherwise and now when we express our desires we are getting the middle finger much of the time.

 

Do you honestly believe America has been getting a fair deal in the world markets? If so, it's no wonder you long for business as usual .. change is scary, huh?

If you don't mind, I'm gonna get back to supporting Donald Trump on this thread. But I get your message loud and clear.

TRUMP BAD.

Everybody is entitled to their opinion... including me.