When you go to the store

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  1. Collateral Damage

    Collateral Damage Well-Known Member

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    I'm not against automation, nor do I want to spend my time waiting in line, but when I am caught in the que I start doing the mental math of the value( to me) of the goods I want to purchase versus the amount of time I will be waiting. I've walked out of the big box stores more than once.

    If they have 20 cash registers, it's obviously a large store. I do very little food shopping in such places, I tend to shop at the more local stores. Rarely is the wait more than 5 or 6 minutes, if that.
     
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    It's something I think about from time to time and it concerns me a little bit but it's not like this is a new concept. Society has been saying this same sort of thing forever with every new advancement in technology. People were worried about this throughout the industrial revolution as well.

    This new era feels a bit different though because we as a society have now advanced to the point where we actually can fully automate things. We have machines that build machines that repair other machines nowadays in some cases. This is more of a philosophical question I guess but now that we've gotten to this point is there a certain point where we do draw the line to not accidentally shoot ourselves in the foot later on?

    I mean yeah I get it, increasing efficiency and reducing production costs are obviously good things for both the company and the consumer, but are we approaching a point in the near future to where we've automated our own selves out of use? Eventually all grocery stores will have mostly automated checkout kiosks and a few workers standing there to assist if necessary like they do now. There goes the cashier workforce, those folks have to work somewhere. Fast food joints will eventually go the same route. Those folks have to work somewhere. Self driving cars will be a reality in the not too distant future and eventually they will replace all vehicles for the most part. The trucking industry will go that route eventually as well, I read an article about that a few months ago. Driving trucks is the dominant job in 29 states right now, eventually we are going to just flat out remove these people from the workforce.

    I understand adapting to the times and the notion that well somebody has to build and maintain these automated trucks so learn to do that and drive on. But as stated, we don't have enough room in the skilled workforce as is, we damn sure won't once the unskilled work force comes knocking.

    People have to work, we can't have a nation with millions of people just walking around doing nothing at all because there is literally nothing for them to do because machines do everything. How would that even work? I know this won't happen overnight or anything but it's definitely something we need to think about.
     
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    You should use individual income, because needing your wife to work to make ends meet is not a big seller. :)
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    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    OK, we can. All I see in the chart you want to use is a steady rising line. Winning.
     
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    And here I thought you were good at charts.
    Did you call your dad to tell him about your 1% raise?
     
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    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Is the chart line moving upward?
     
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    Did your dad tell you to look for another job?
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    How about gasoline at 35 cents a gallon? No stuff, that was up until 1973. In New Jersey they STILL pump your gas. It's a state law.
     
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    Surely you jest

     
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    Something will come up. Malthusians in the early 19th c used to wonder what would happen to all the farmers when reapers were invented.

    One possibility is cybertheletics, professional gamers, It could be like pro sports is today but employ far more people because the "audiences" would be much smaller. The salaries at the lower tiers would be correspondingly less but still livable, while at the upper levels they might be as astronomical as sports salaries are today.

    And maybe Andrew Yang is right, We need to start subsidising people rather than oil cos. (The USA gave the OIL COS, 4.6 BILLION in 2015.)
     
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    I remember. Funny, when you look at the cost of housing, education, healthcare, automobiles gasoline is still a bargain.
     
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    Didn't read through the thread... just got to say that I'm grateful for self checkout simply based upon the fact that I don't have to stand behind some incompetent cashier, or welfare queen with an overflowing cart. It's worth it.
     
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    Sounds like a job requiring more than the basic HS diploma, most have.
     
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    I will continue to be asocial and use the checkout method that doesnt prompt me to engage in meaningless banter.

    At least until a cashier puts up a sign that says 'no unnecessary communication.'

    Its really hard to not consider it rude when Im trying to work the card machine and a stranger starts asking about my day or what I do for a living. I know its not their fault that I have an auditory processing dissorder and no ability to multi-task resulting in an inability to talk and do anything else at the same time. But its still shitty when I turn into that guy who cant understand a simple prompt like 'do you want cash back, choose yes or no' because someone else thinks silence is impolite and wants to bombard me with personal questions while Im trying to be productive and move things along.

    I love the self checkout.
     
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    s&h green stamps
     
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    i make it a point to use the human cashier, especially the cute ones... why, simple, so i can request 140 plastic shopping bags...
     
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    Loved them....
     
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    But gasoline, in the cost of transport for everything, has CAUSED those costs too. Still, we could not keep on basically robbing the people of the ME, they are entitled to a fair price for their resource
     
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    That's not what I was trying to say.

    If you look at 1960 dollars.. gasoline hasn't increased in price like food, housing, healthcare, education, automobiles.
     
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    Should we do the same thing with automated customer service? Every time we call our credit card company and a computer voice tells us to "Press 2 for English" we should hang up. What about the pay at the pump or my favorite is the ATM. I remember my dad in the early 70's using one of those. Should we all not buy any vehicles produced after the 80's? Cause that's when robotics were placed on the production line. Now, what's your opinion on blow up sex dolls? I mean they do put hookers out of a job.

    One of the first inventions that had a machine doing the work of a man was the cotton gin. Invented by Eli Whitney the cotton gin was designed to stretch the cotton allowing for the cotton seeds to fall from the fibers, hence eliminating the name calling of cotton picker.
     
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    Yet...
     
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    I think cotton pickers picked cotton in the field.
     
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    You might think cotton pickers picked cotton, but I know that Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers.
     
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    Let's compare more using these figures.

    1960 gas price $.31
    2019 gas price $2.65

    1960 avg home price $31k
    2019 avg home price $265k

    1960 gal of milk $.31
    2019 gal of milk $2.65

    1960 loaf of bread $.31
    2019 loaf of bread $2.65

    1960 college credit hour $31
    2019 college credit hour $265

    1960 monthly auto ins premium $31
    2019 monthly auto ins premium $265

    You're correct, gasoline hasn't increased "like" food, housing and healthcare. Gasoline has increased "exactly like" food, housing and healthcare
     

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