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Why the fixation on the whistleblower identity?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by ronv, Nov 3, 2019.

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  1. ronv

    ronv Well-Known Member

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    What's the fascination with the whistleblowers identity?
    The things he listed in his complaint have been verified by others.
    Some bullets:
    • Gathered reports over 4 months
    • Input from a handful of people
    • Effort was to undermine the US election
    • Pressure was to initiate or continue investigation of the Bidens and Crowdstrike.
    • Pressure to meet with Rudy or Barr
    • T. Bruebual was on call
    • Others were briefed on call
    • The transcript was removed from the standard storage and put on high classification server
    • Rudy had spoken earlier about Biden's claim on Ukraine.
    • Rudy pushed for removal of Yovanovitch
    • Volker & Sonland tried to control Rudy and explain his position to Ukraine
    • Rudy met in May with Ukraine president and told him to play ball if he wanted meeting with Trump
    The last one is the only one I haven't heard from someone else.

    So is his identity just to punish him in some way?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/cont...elensky/4b9e0ca5-3824-467f-b1a3-77f2d4ee16aa/
     
    ronv, Nov 3, 2019
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    nobodyspecific Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Probably some truth to that. But moreover it's easier to just attack the messenger than defend against the message. Appeals to trust like that are effective, especially when coupled with the very natural urge for confirmation bias. Which is why you see it used in the court of law, and in presidential primaries.
     
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  3. Rush_is_Right

    Rush_is_Right Well-Known Member

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    If someone accused you of something illegal, wouldn't you want to know who they are? Wouldn't you want to exercise your right to face them?
     
    Rush_is_Right, Nov 3, 2019
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    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No-------------now that we DO know who he is, we know he is just another Trump hating democrat operative that would lie about anything.
     
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  5. ronv

    ronv Well-Known Member

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    Even if he is. It's all been confirmed by other witnesses.
     
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    nobodyspecific Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How does that impact at all the validity of his complaints? The validity of a claim is independent of the person making it.
     
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    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You seem to put great stock in him and other paid liars.
     
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    If I were facing criminal penalties, yes. But Trump is not facing criminal penalties (yet).
     
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    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The OP is asking a ridiculous question.
    Why would anyone not know the identity of someone that had no first hand information of an event that motivated him/her/alphabet to try and bring down the POTUS. I want names and full background.
     
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  10. ronv

    ronv Well-Known Member

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    I would but:

    Confrontation Clause. The Confrontation Clause of the Sixth Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that "in all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right…to be confronted with the witnesses against him." ... The right only applies to criminal prosecutions, not civil cases or other proceedings.
     
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    ronv Well-Known Member

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    Confrontation Clause. The Confrontation Clause of the Sixth Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that "in all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right…to be confronted with the witnesses against him." ... The right only applies to criminal prosecutions, not civil cases or other proceedings.
     
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    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is no criminal prosecution, just second hand hearsay which is a bit suspicious wouldn't you agree?
     
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    Rush_is_Right Well-Known Member

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    Personally I think Shifty made up the whistleblower story.
     
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    Your insane characterization aside...what he blew the whistle on...HAPPENED exactly as he said it did
     
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    Sorry dude...it's well beyond second hand. There were witnesses ON THE CALL confirming everything alleged...and worse.
     
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    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well yes President Trump did make a phone call.
     
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    ronv Well-Known Member

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    You know I might, except it's all been corroborated by other witnesses.
     
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    Cool. I can't wait until President Trump reads the entire call to the American public.
     
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    Perfect!
     
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    ronv Well-Known Member

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    Come in on the middle?

    Confrontation Clause. The Confrontation Clause of the Sixth Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that "in all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right…to be confronted with the witnesses against him." ... The right only applies to criminal prosecutions, not civil cases or other proceedings.
     
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    ronv Well-Known Member

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    What?
    Nobody wants to pick on a whistleblower claim and prove it wrong?
    Hmm.
     
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    They heard the call ?
    Neat
     
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    squidward Well-Known Member

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    Continue your "political process".
    Get no cooperation.
    Get smoked.
    Enjoy
     
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    squidward Well-Known Member

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    His opinions were left out of the transcript.
    We all have opinions.
    No other witness can corroborate his statement concerning the call.
    You have nothing.
     
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    Shifty is all over it, relax. His record is impeccable, rest easy on that!
     
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