Why the fixation on the whistleblower identity?

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  1. Lesh

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    Nope. No criminal leaking.

    Totally within the WB system and statutes.

    You just want to skin what YOU see as "the rat"...ya know like they do in the Mob.
     
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    Well to find out if they are trustworthy or not.

    Just because he said Trump did bad thing and you're willing to sell out the justice system for that doesn't mean anyone else is
     
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    wrong not after him after his informant.
     
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    So what? We have the transcript and there was no corrupt Quid Pro Quo. The aid was released as soon as Trump's concerns over corruption were dealt with.

    As for Vindman, he's a power hungry moron who doesn't understand self-government.

    Check this out from the WaPo article, written and published by folks who also do not understand representative Democracy:

    “he was deeply troubled by what he interpreted as an attempt by the president to subvert U.S. foreign policy...”

    https://t.co/L1Jfgck6G2

    POTUS determines said foreign policy, not self-important Lt. Colonels.

    BRING ON THE SENATE TRIAL! YOU FOLKS HAVE PUSHED FOR THIS FIGHT, LET"S HAVE IT ON THE SENATE FLOOR!!!
     
  6. Dayton3

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    Because one of the bedrocks of American criminal and civil law is the right to confront your accuser. Without identifying them they can't be confronted.
     
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    Ding, ding, ding, ding. Winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  8. RodB

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    I know it does not count in your circles but common jurisprudence gives the accused the right to confront witnesses. Secondly, impeachment hearings are to be in open sessions as are all hearings with two specific exceptions.
     
  9. ronv

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    I do.
    Got any evidence they are paid liars?
     
  10. ronv

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    Really? Where have you been for the last 3 weeks?
     
  11. ronv

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    Confrontation Clause. The Confrontation Clause of the Sixth Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that "in all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right…to be confronted with the witnesses against him." ... The right only applies to criminal prosecutions, not civil cases or other proceedings.

    How long was Ken Stars investigation totally secret? A couple of years I think.
     
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    Which ones heard the call ?
     
  13. ronv

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    That's why the Inspector General investigate complaints before they move forward.
     
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    Vindman
     
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    So how will knowing who the whistleblower is help you determine if the witnesses are trustworthy?
     
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    That's right, even EC himself heard nothing but leaks from Vindman.
    Seems you have no corroborators that heard any of it
     
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    He's corroborating his own story?
    That's pretty cool
     
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    So far means ready to ?
    Time traveler are we?
     
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    The leaker leaked to the WB
     
  20. ronv

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    Means have..
    Nice try Donald.
     
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    rumor is he has close ties to Biden and democrats. Why hide the identity?

    but what whistleblower are we talking about? Someone who claims there was a 'call' where things were said that could point to impeachable offenses? Well, Trump made the transcript public! LOL... so now that we can read the transcript or source of the so called 'whistleblower's' allegations, why do we care about the whistleblower anymore? This is the craziest, nuttiest thing ever. A total joke, just like Russia hoax.
     
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  22. ronv

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    Could be Biden's wife. What difference would it make?
    The witnesses have confirmed almost everything he reported.
     
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    I think your confused.
    Vindman heard the call.
    The witnesses have confirmed the claims.
     
  24. RodB

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    I did not say Constitution, I said common jurisprudence, which BTW pretty much is followed in civil trials. In any case it absolutely must be followed in impeachment hearings -- as it has in the three previous impeachment hearings.

    Starr was not conducting impeachment hearings. He was conducting a criminal investigation under the watchful eyes of the AG and a special three-judge panel, and passed his findings to congress because that was the law at that time.
     
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    Character assassination demands that the character be known. Hysterically raving that a patriotic public servant is a "Never Trumper!" when his/her identity is legally guarded appears singularly irrational and paranoid.

    Conservative Republican Attorney George Conway provided an analogy to help even the most obtuse understand that the individual's identity is of no consequence:

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