Fracking banned in UK as government makes major U-turn

Nobody cares if the UK bans fracking. But you guys are some hypocritical bastards because you damn sure won't be giving up on gasoline, diesel, natural gas and all the other fracking-derived products. The terrorists in the Middle East will take your money....then they'll use some of that to continue to invade London....damn that place is going the way of muslim shithole, but that's your choice not mine.

 

There are two kinds of people my friend, those who pay and those who dig.

 

Your reply like your previous one makes no sense.

 

No sorry. Your demand is the freedom to cause the destruction of Planet earth which would end in human extinction. Someone demanding the right to take the life of others is not asking for freedom except the freedom to destroy the rights of others - most importantly their right to life.

 

Really? Tell more. This is what I got on a search

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_fracturing_by_country#France

 

Not sure whether Britain can be brought to its senses at the moment. It does look from my searches that the Johnson Government (which is led by a man called Cummings who is not an MP and hates democracy) is intent on joining the Trump Government on climate denial. I quite honestly do not understand this insanity as it is our lives and that of those who come or would have come after us which is at stake. However I do not think in the UK we have any strength of numbers in climate denial. Over two thirds of our people believe it is a very serious issue which Johnson should put as top priority - hence this ban. However that it appears this is just an election gimmick and he has hired to create his election manifesto someone who lobbies for fracking and the the ability of multinationals to tax dodge suggests he might be intent on following Trump to try to lead the world to disaster.....but you are right, I cannot see the UK allowing that. There again we only have another 11 years or so to get things in order. We cannot afford time off to deal with the crazies.

 

You are British (I think) and I am not, so I will take your word for it. My fundamental take on it is that Britain (in modern times) has been a rock of trust until (and all who followed) Thatcher the milk-snatcher put up shop at 10 Downing Street. Am I right, partly right, partly wrong, or just dead out of the water?

 

One of the problems with democracy is that economics were never democratic.

There is going to be massive sinking/disappearance of land in the US including major cities. However I have heard that here again many Americans are just shutting their eyes to it believing it will not happen or as you say believing that they will find another way. In order to find alternatives they will need to start acknowledging and then addressing the problems.

You are wrong however to believe places will remain inhabitable. Already I think it is in Miami and no doubt other places, they have been raising the land for quite some time already. Most will be under water in Florida in a few decades.

Here is just one Youtube on it.

 

I would have said, "Not all self-proclaimed democracies are democratic".

 

Ohhh we are very different from how we were prior to the milk snatcher! Then those opposing joining the EU or rather EEC were doing so because they believed it would take away democracy and they saw Britain's future as using our place in the UN to work for peace in the world.

In addition this time is like no other time I have lived in.

Paul Mason argues that the basis of the current problem comes from neo liberalism which of course starts with Thatcher as you say. He believes that given that this threw all idealism out the window and reduced politics to only economics - interesting that our 'democratic Governments' chose to deal only in the very thing which is not democratic - economics.

Mason grew up in a working class family, belonged to the UK generation who experienced social mobility, is aware of what politics was about prior to neo liberalism, is very conscious of people's involvement in politics at that time and believes that many of those who came after do not understand that people can even be involved in politics.

Neo Liberalism itself broke down in 2008. Basically he and others seem to see this time as an argument between the elites. In the UK they both belong to the Conservative Party but they are divided. On the one hand you have those who are still benefiting from neo liberalism as it dies - that would be the left of the Tory Party, the Right of Labour and the LIb Dems. They just do not want to address that it has failed and we need a new economic system. They go against everyone who does not share their viewpoint. They see Corbyn whose philosophy is pre Thatcherism, pre neo liberalism as bad as the far right - in fact by their actions it would appear they see him as worse. Basically they fear him because he will end neo liberalism which they have been doing very well out of.

What of the other side of the elite of which Johnson is currently leader? Well here Mason believes we have as Hannah Arendt said, 'The Temporary alliance of the elite and the Mob'. Neo Liberalism is not working. People were told it was the bible. He suggests the shock of this has caused some to lose faith and asks what do people do when they discover the religion they have been following does not work? He suggests they look at what they had before and that to him is white nationalism, homophobia, colonialism, misogyny, hatred of different religions and so on. So that is what the right of the the elite are selling but they too are still selling neo liberalism. They, seen most easily through Trump, are just selling it as National Neo Liberalism.

So you have a clash of the elites - one of whom is still selling the values since the war and who still believes in them. They do not want a race to the bottom. They want to continue with some standard of life for everyone. It is if you like, who they have always believed they were. They never thought they were just greedy bastards getting everything for themselves. The far right however, certainly as far as the UK is involved is in a race to the bottom and they have got on board the mob. Brexit for instance was never about a hard Brexit, never about people losing their standard of living. Indeed during the Referendum the Leavers said again and again that we would in the blink of an eye get the best deal anyone could want. We would be better off....and yet whenever they say that not making it a hard Brexit, not leaving without a deal - a situation which will put us temporarily in financial hardship which all the economists I have read believe we will not come out of, when they say of this 'it is what the people voted for. The people's voice must be heard', many of those who voted Leave appear to believe them. They see it as those who will in reality take everything away from them, fighting for them. The elite have them on a lead.

Mason defines the new hard right as primarily anti humanist. Yes, they are similar to fascists but because the left was basically destroyed with neo liberalism they do not need to act as fascists. They have no organised opposition to fight.

That is what Britian is facing.....but it gets worse. He believes that our very personhood is in danger. He says we need a radical defence of the human being. He says Social Science has now moved to a post human social science. A social science which believes that we, that is both humans and robots are basically just machines. This is the total denial of the spiritual in humans. It comes from a place without spirituality. Neo Liberalism also began from that. One of the philosophers who Thatcher followed said, what do you do if you are going down the road with two friends and you find a ten dollar bill. Do you share it with them? Of course you do not. he said (ten dollars was worth a lot more then!) You put it in your pocket. Thatcherism and neo liberalism was built on the psychology of those who created it and they were totally selfish people who believed everyone else was just like them. But it goes further. Social Scientists, Mason says, believe that the current technological situation leaves no room for free will. As we saw with Brexit it is possible for us to be controlled now by technology. Cambridge Analytica did it then. Computers now can get from social media 5000 facts on each of us. We are not aware of ourselves to that extent. By gathering these facts we can be programmed to act as they wish.

To defeat algorithmic control, to keep control of artificial intelligence and to defeat the right we are going to have to centre the defence of the human being on a theory of who humans are Mason says.

If we don't have an idea of a good society and how we are going to get there – the idealism that used to be the base of politics in democracy and something which has been lost within neo liberalism which only cared about the market and not personhood, if we do not get that humane process activated again we will lose the benefits of the enlightenment.

He says there needs to be a 'snowflake insurrection'. He is proud to be called a snowflake.

OK that was not an easy question but it seems to be what we are facing. What Britain does have is the one Party of the left in Europe which has not eaten the dogma of the new hard right has a chance of getting into office and doing what Mason sees as necessary. My one hope for the UK is that. Without that I will be fighting for Scottish Independence asap.

As well as hope for a chance to a genuine democracy both Mason and economist Mark Blyth believe that dealing with the climate emergency is going to be what is going to save us from this new fascism and our dehumanisation. Lets hope so.

 

That’s frigging insane—driving kids to Disney World means the extinction of the human race. Spare me the insanity.

What will kill human existence? Idiotic environmental policies, like those that caused the California wild fires, the Challenger explosion, the Columbia breakup during re-entry, the ban on DDT.

Environmentalists don’t seek the expansion of human existence, they seek its eradication. Proof? The New Green deal, the Ecological plan to murder the spirit of Prometheus and extinguish the fire of that lives in the spirit of Man.

You are going to need a gun; it’s the only way to implement this insane evil, no rational moral soul would accept such brutal evil willingly. And therein lies your error and sin.

 

You are just talking nonsense. I should not have encouraged you.

 

So, are the disbelievers saying that there is no climate change? - that there is but it isn't man-made? - that no matter the cause ... we can't fix it?

 

In a sense, yes. It is not our responsibility to educate those who intentionally resist knowledge.

 

Oh, it makes all the sense in the world, it’s the anti-fracking mind that’s lost all sanity. Ban fossil fuels tomorrow. How long will it take before the first billion are dead? 2 weeks? 1 week? 3 days?

It be intellectual suicide if it wasn’t ideological homicide.

 

Nonsense? We are going to ban fracking because we can’t prove it won’t cause the end of the planet? When did irrational fears become science? Wait. I know. When the Rachael Carson wrote how the blueness of Robin eggs have a higher moral value then babies free from the threat of malaria.

Pure rotten evil. Shame on you environmental wackos. Are you proud of the title Humanity’s greatest mass murderers. What’s the death toll from Malaria since the ban? 100 million? Hell, not even Stalin nor Mao can touch that horrid atrocity. But it’s nothing compared to death toll that will happen when the New Green Deal becomes law.

 

Nope. We question the morality of that gun in your hand.

 

Article said polls suggest 71% of the British People believe the Climate Emergency is more important than Brexit and advised Johnson to have it as a top priority.

It would appear that Johnson was one of the strongest pushers for Fracking in the UK which underlines the suggestion that this supposed 'ban' is just an election gimmick.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion...must-tell-voters-britains-energy-future-lies/

 

My, what a rant that was.

So, fracking is saving upwards of a billion lives every 3 days, is it? Gosh! That's nearly as many lives as were taken in World War ….. which one was it? Confess. You're just winding up the forum.

There hasn't been a gun in my hand since I re-entered civvy street. 1968 it was and that includes the theoretical variety.

 

BS.

 

Yes, let's ban oil and gas production in our own nations, so we can give control of the global supply of energy to these same Deep State actors.

You will notice how much cleaner oil and gas are out of Western nations, which these people want us to give up for "dirtier" oil and gas out of other nations.

They don't care about the environment, they are simply playing a game of "switching cups".

They care about control, control of global energy, all so the banks can tax every transaction as they see fit.

They started with the fiat currencies, now are trying to move us to "fiat crypto's". This will not work, we will go back on the Gold Standard and these globalist will be stuck swaying int he wind

 

I believe that every change in the world throughout history, whether it bettered man's existence or worsened it, was caused by climate change. The Dark Ages started with a massive volcano explosion around 538AD. It darkened the sky in the northern hemisphere for decades and forced tribes to invade the Roman Empire for sustenance.

In my youth they said that Greenland was given that name as a joke. Now they realize it was green at the time. The warmer climate is also why the Vikings came out of their enclaves and began sailing and pillaging the world.

In our more recent past, the depression is believed now to have been caused by the failure of farms in Germany. These were the same years the USSR had famines, and Texas and Oklahoma had dust storms - forcing the farmers to move to California. These things had to have been caused by a world wide climate change - and they brought on the depression and the rise of Hitler and WWII

As for the rise of the sea. Well the city of Ephesus was once a thriving port and now it's about a mile from the sea. Yet at the same time, most of ancient Alexandria is under the sea. My mother lived near the rock that Homer taught his students almost 3 thousand years ago. It's on a hill about 1/2 mile from the sea and yet, when I saw a drawing of the rock by a Frenchman who visited over 300 years ago, the rock was a promontory hanging over the sea.

There will always be geological changes in the earth, and they can bring about plagues and wars as well as earthquakes and sea rises. With the exception of plastics and their affect on the sea and fishes, I don't believe man's actions have anything to do with the rising and falling of the sea. Although as a Christian I do think there is a spiritual component to them. So other than praying, we just have to learn to adapt the best we can.

 

At this time in history for Great Britain, the question "to frack or not to frack" is probably not as important a question as is the more pressing problem: To be Great Britain Again or Not?

 

You ignore reality when it does not fit your fantasy. You wish the right to go against International law. That to you is freedom.

 

71% of Brits believe the climate emergency is more important than Brexit. Two thirds of Brits believe Johnson should have the climate emergency top of his agenda. Labour is putting the climate emergency top of theirs!