More than 200 rockets fired into Israel from Gaza after Islamic Jihad leader killed

That's not the bar in your definition - Let me know when you figure out what your own definition of terrorism means

You run and hide - even from your own definition .. what are you scared of - ??

 

I'm not the one lamenting the death of a Jihadi. BTW, I'm not the topic, FYI.

 

Nor am I - at least not on a moral or personal level but, the point you miss is that this was not just about the death of a Jihadi.

You have reduced the situation to some "Black vs White" "Good vs Evil" "God vs Devil" paradigm.

Reality in this case is grey - there is more to the story than the death of one Jihadi - one who is no more a terrorist than the man who Killed him Bibi - demonstrably less so - in fact. Not just by your dictionary definition - but by every reasonable definition.

It is just another death in a an 80 yr old Blood Feud. It does not bother me a bit when the ring leaders in this meet untimely deaths. It is the people in between for which I am concerned.

You ? - not so much - you do not care for the people -unless they look like you ..and "believe" like you. So if its Bibi "one of us" - the leader of the Chosen people .. by which we will be redeemed - terrorism - killing innocents - war crimes - is all good ..

That only counts when it is some radical Islamist Jihadists. and the Palestinian situation can not legitimately be compared to ISIS in some respects... where you have this black vs white paradigm that Hamas is ISIS .. and this is utter nonsense.

 

What a ridiculous and blatantly dishonest, accusation of racism, strawman. Your dishonesty runs deep.

 

That is what you have put out there so far .. you were only concerned that the fellow killed was a Jihadi - and that is where the story ended for you in your black vs white paradigm. No thought for the people entered your mind - and any talk of something other than your perspective were "Lamenting" for the Jihadi.

That is where your story ends - not a thought entered your mind for the situation in the region and what this act signified with respect to that situation. Bibi "Good" - "Jihadi dead" Good. end of story.

Now you are railing .. twirling around NO NO NO ... I CARE FOR THE PEOPLE OK - then tell me about what the killing of this Jihadi (and there was another assassination at the same time) - signified with respect to the situation - and the Palestinian people ?

Here is your chance to prove your claim.

 

You also said same club - different name

It's same club - different geography and that is where the distinction should be made. And that was the distinction made by Obama, again because he hated Israel.

Lets review: in 2016, Israel grew increasingly concerned as Assad’s regime stabilized and Iran’s and Hizballah’s presence in Syria expanded. Repeated Israeli appeals to the Obama administration to increase support for the rebels were rejected.

Key difference is Obama supported the growth of ISIS and Bibi supported the eradication of ISIS. Its also crucial to note that Obama was pro Iran and Bibi NOT. In fact, this is the primary reason for Israeli intervention and subsequent proxy war with Iran. Ultimately this was not an offensive tactic, it was a defensive strategy implemented to keep the Israeli border secure.

Obama couldnt even bring himself to say "Radical Islamic Terrorism" and he definitely was NOT working with the Israelis.

And Israelis primary involvement with rebels in that area is because they are fighting a proxy war with Iran. Iran forced Israel to play its hand. With Irans growing presence in Syria, Israel was once again forced to defend its borders against a nation that has publicly called for the destruction of Israel. Israel is left to defend its interests with targeted airstrikes and by supporting ragtag rebel militias in southern Syria whose interests partially align with those of the Jewish state.

At the same time, Israel provided limited humanitarian aid across the border and medical treatment to over 5,000 Syrians in Israeli hospitals.

In dozens of meetings and visits to Washington and Moscow, Israeli officials first attempted to secure a guarantee that foreign Shia fighters would have to leave Syria. When this request was rebuffed by the Kremlin and ignored by Washington, Israel asked that those fighters not be allowed within 60 kilometers of the border fence. This request was ignored as well.

Israel’s support is intended to protect the border area from encroachment by Iranian proxies, but also to enable the rebels to more effectively fight the local ISIL affiliate, Jaysh Khalid ibn al-Walid. According to Syrian rebels engaged in combating ISIL in western Daraa, Israel’s support includes not just materiel and cash, but also drone strikes and shelling with high-precision missiles on ISIL targets during defensive and offensive rebel operations in the Yarmouk basin.

Dozens of locals in Daraa and Quneitra have admitted Israel also increased the flow of humanitarian aid into southern Syria in recent months, sending construction materials and supplies for schools and hospitals and allowing non-Israeli volunteer doctors and nurses to enter Syria under the protection of an allied rebel group.

The aid from Israel, which was once concealed or provided through the United Nations and other agencies, began appearing in the original packaging in Hebrew in 2016. Last year, Israel publicized for the first time the extent of the aid it has transferred into Syria, amounting to over 360 tons of food, 90 tons of clothes, and other much-needed items such as generators. Israel also began admitting women and children for day treatments in Israeli hospitals and continues to admit injured and sick Syrians, while Jordan largely sealed off its border. Thus, during the February 2017 rebel offensive on the Manshiye neighborhood in Daraa, Jordan did not allow injured rebels to enter for treatment (a policy Jordan has employed to deter unwanted rebel offensives on the regime), while Israel accepted them in large numbers, according to rebels and activists. Thousands of Syrians, particularly those residing in camps for the displaced along the border fence, are able to survive thanks to this aid. Syrians who return from medical treatment in Israel tell their friends and relatives about the high quality of the care and describe Israel as a beautiful and highly advanced country.

Israel’s military establishment is entering relationships with rebel groups with a sense of distrust and even disdain. Despite what the rebels may wish, Israel will not attempt to overthrow the Assad regime, as Turkey, Jordan and the Gulf states have previously tried to do. Instead, Israel simply aims to secure its border, at least until another viable way emerges to keep Iranian-backed militias away from the Golan Heights.


Sources here:
https://warontherocks.com/2018/02/israels-deepening-involvement-syrias-rebels/
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...nti-assad-syrian-rebels-big-mistake-1.6894850

 

No thanks, just continue with your fabricated, strawmen. Have fun.

 

No, Bibi does not want to get rid of Palestinian, you are getting bad information.

There are something like 19 other Muslim nations surrounding Israel. Don't you think they'd do the world a favor by stepping up to the plate.

We have to face the facts that this conflict will not be resolved until a peace treaty is signed by all the players in the neighborhood. Until that point, the bloodshed and killing will continue. Israel is merely defending itself from the surrounding Muslim nations intent of wiping it off the face of the map. If your life was under real threat, I suspect you would act aggressively to preserve it, right?

Are you also of the school of thought that Jews control world monetary systems and pull the strings of government?

I would consider Obama's actions in the ME terrorist in nature. So I do buy into your argument to some extent. But the overwhelming majority of decisions we make are positive in nature and the world typically benefits from our success.

 

Hamas is considered a terrorist organisation, just for your information.

This is demonstrably false. This man followed in the footsteps of Mohammad, who was a murder and a pedophile. Then again you might think those things are ok too. Where does the depravity end with the left?

Please explain HOW Bibi is a terrorist, i.e. in what light? Please cite examples.

 

I was talking about the Radical Islamist Jihadists in Syria. These were hundreds of different groups in Syria - then foreign Jihadists started pouring in to fight the "Holy War".

Hezbollah was not on that side of the war - they were not the "Radical Islamist Jihadists" trying to turn Syria into a Saudi inspired strict sharia nightmare.

The proxy army in Syria consisted of primarily ISIS and Al Qaeda/Al Nusra after the first few years of the war - there were a few others but you more or less fought under on or the other banner.

Those are the two sides in black and white - .. Proxy army "Evil Radical Islamist Jihadists" wanting to turn Syria into a strict sharia nightmare. People of Syria - who fought for Assad so that it would not become that - these people were fighting - for a guy they did not like - to keep their individual liberty.

So your next comment threw me for a loop.

"Lets review: in 2016, Israel grew increasingly concerned as Assad’s regime stabilized and Iran’s and Hizballah’s presence in Syria expanded. Repeated Israeli appeals to the Obama administration to increase support for the rebels were rejected"

Your initial premise was that Israel was fighting the Al Qaeda/ISIS - and your support for this claim states that the Israel's wanted to increase support for the Al Qaeda/ISIS proxy army. You have refuted your own claim.

You are correct that Obama armed and supported the Al Qaeda/ISIS proxy army in Syria. Obama did this in conjunction with a very large number of other nations - which included Israel. The arming and supporting of this massive proxy army was no small feat. Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states, Qatar, Jordan Turkey, Israel, USA, Britain (the West), Eastern European Nations Bulgaria, Croatia.

Israel was treating wounded Al Qaeda/ISIS in its hospitals - and facilitating in any way possible.

The date of the article is weird as well .. 2016 ? The war was a done deal by the end of 2016 - war started in late 2011 - Once Russia got involved in 2015 - the cities held by ISIS/Al Qaeda fell quick.... and there had been no "moderate resistance" of any significance by mid 2012. They may have called for aid much earlier .. but this all would have been public propaganda in any case .. fodder for the masses.

Israel knew in 2012 that tens of millions of tons of sophisticated military equipment was being shipped to the proxy army.

 

If the accusation is false - as you claim - then answer the question

Tell us what the killing of this Jihadi - signified with respect to the situation - and the Palestinian people ?

Prove your claim or off with you.

 

Right - Bibi is stealing land left right and center from the Palestinians - bulldozing houses at gunpoint - because he wants to keep those people on their land.

You are out of your depth.

 

So is the Republican Guard, so were the Kurds .. it is a joke of a designation these days .. who knows what they are talking about half the time.

But it matters not - I did not state that Hamas was not a "terrorist organization" - So is the CIA - so is the IDF

What I stated was that they are not ISIS/Al Qaeda - and not of the same ideology - not even close. The Palestinians want their land and a State - Hamas/Hezbolla = .. "Palestinian Liberation Organization" under a different name but same umbrella - and this battle has been going on for 80 year - with both sides doing very nasty stuff.

The Palestinians nor their militant groups - are not Al Qaeda/ISIS. In once case you have people fighting an oppressor who is trying to take their land and livelihood away - The Palestinians do not have some Global Jihadist desire and carry out actions in France, Germany, and so on.

You can not lump them on the same place as Al Qaeda/ISIS on the "terrorism" spectrum.

 

I know! They are a shame for Israel.

 

?? higher mathematics for me!

 

BiBi is kicking Haji ASS today!

 

The map is false and misleading. Even if we took the fake map at face value, zoom out and it is still a tiny strip of land in the region where it is safe to be Jewish, Christian, non-Muslim, gay, atheist, opinionated, or critical of religion/government. How can I support those who consider my beliefs a crime?

 

Are you from Israel or have you been there and taken a good look around?

 

I am not Jewish and have never been to Israel. I could travel there and safely take a look around if I wanted. Where else in the region is it safe for an American atheist to visit? Should I try Jericho?

 

Except for this one: https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2014/07/massacre-gaza-20147228354824989.html
And this: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/14/world/middleeast/gaza-protests-palestinians-us-embassy.html

How much longer will Israel commit atrocities and Gazans will have to defend themselves with home-made rockets?

 

propaganda

 

Many in Palestine are not "Islamists" I don't support wanton slaughter of women and children even if they were "Islamist's" I do support international law with respect to crimes against humanity.

 

Get the Islamic Jihad to stop blowing **** up, and settle on a viable 2 state solution.

Then there will be a nation called Palestine.

 

Not Jewish? American Jew, perhaps? Actually, most Jews are not Jews, they are Khazars or Zionists.
Here is an explaining video.


Unfortunately, it is an hour long. But it is worth the time to listen in order to understand the world of today a little better. Peace is definitely not in the forecast.

 

Israel asked for big trouble in 1948. Yeah, go to a region where everybody hates you, and after the establishment of The State of Israel terrorism went through the roof, as did longterm warfare in the M.E. They could have gone to many regions in Europe where they would be welcome and elsewhere that was safer, but, they chose not to. Now, today Israel is an apartheid state. While the Palestinians are not blameless, Iarael shoulders the burden, they, themselves caused.