More than 200 rockets fired into Israel from Gaza after Islamic Jihad leader killed

We agree to disagree.

 

Israel isn't theocratic, it's ethnocentric just like Japan, China and many other. Being jewish, as in the jewish state of Israel, doesn't denotes one religion but one ethnicity. Many, many jews in Israel are atheist or don't practice their religion.

 

Having a significant number of friends in Israel of various faiths or lack thereof, and looking at the growing subpopulation of orthodox Jews not required to work, I hold a different view. Another example is how different ethnicities within Israel who identify as Jewish fight for political power and hate each other. There is no such thing as a common genetic line or ethnicity of Jews. There are Israelis born and raised in Israel but that is not a precondition of becoming Jewish. Jews follow the shared customs of the religion of Judaism. I got to observe this first hand for years in Jewish controlled towns in NY as well. However, there are sharp distinctions between Jewish sects as I learned under a Jewish scholar and reading the great works of Buber among others...

 

It should also be noted pre-1940s Zionism was very different in how it aimed to attain its goals; obviously WWII had a direct influence as did antisemitism globally. Interesting, Iran helped Jewish refugees fleeing the Nazis...how interesting how Israel made Iran turn on them, now isn't it?

 

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/10/19/when-iran-welcomed-jewish-refugees/

 

Two more interesting reads of the complexity of Israel relations to Iran (US too).

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/04/magazine/iran-strike-israel-america.html

This narrative is kinder to Israel but it makes valid points on both sides:

https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east...nd-iran-went-from-allies-to-enemies-1.6049884

I'll go silent in this thread for abit. I'll just read other's posts for a week.

 

Your last sentence is pure nonsense!! Israel's land theft keeps going regardless. Syria, for instance, never tried to invade Israel, yet, their Golan Heights were taken anyway.


https://www.albawaba.com/news/origi...than-just-the-golan-heights-in-syria?-1079268

Israel’s “Safe Zone” Is Creeping Farther Into Syria
The safe zone expansion marks a move toward deeper Israeli involvement in Syria’s civil
war.
Read about it here:
https://theintercept.com/2018/01/23/israel-syria-safe-buffer-zone-golan-heights/

So, Israel is the reason for all the turmoil in the Middle East. The wars fought so far and countries chopped into pieces was done for the sole benefit of Israel.
Libya, for instance, has now been declared a non-country!! Before it was the rose of Africa.
The Iran is still on USrahell's to-do-list, but thanks to Russia's intervention Iran and Syria are still alive for now. Once Trump is gone that might change!!!!

 

Ethnicity doesn't exclusively mean a common genetic line or religion. French-Canadian are a recognized ethnicity but we have a quite diverse genetic baggage. Jews are diverse too. Israel being a jewish state is the same thing as any other countries giving preferential treatment to immigration applicant.

And don't make the mistake of believing that member of Neturei Karta are representative of the jewish orthodox as a whole. Orthodox jews DO works and contribute to the society. Ultra-orthodoxe and extreme sect like Neturei Karta don't.

 

Im going to hold my tongue... please tell the class how Israel made Iran turn on them.

 

Beside that, when and if Iran helped jews, it was at a time when they were under the Sha control, who contrary to what some poor soul here believe, wasn't installed by the USA but was in fact installed by the British and Soviet in 1941. So, it was a totally different Iran than what exist today.

 

The bigger question for me is how long before a Gazan creates a business, invents something useful or contributes a single thing of even trivial value to civilization.

On the other hand, the list of advances by Israel is MASSIVE. They are only country in the Middle East to actively contribute to civilization. Before Israel, you would need to go back centuries to find a Middle Eastern country contributing..... CENTURIES!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_inventions_and_discoveries

 

1970s Iran was quite different too.

 

That's a joke right?

 

Until the return of Khomeini it was a different country. After Khomeini it became a theocracy under control of the ayathollas.

 

Read the links. It describes both Israeli and Iranian betrayal...US too.

 

At times, but as someone with friends in Iran and my active Iranian research the power of the Ayatollahs has been differential and fluctuating.

 

I notice you asked a question rather than listing the achievements. I am certainly open to new information. I posted Israel's achievements. You are welcome to post the rest of the Middle East achievements. You can use the last 400 years.... I am not aware of even a single one.

 

I work with iranians everyday... Opinions are like as***le, everybody got one and your friend aren't any more important than others.

But comparing ayatholas with a democratively elected president is bloody stupid. Especially since Israel is one of the few country, if not the only one, with a proportional voting system which is the most democratic form of election.

 

Sure:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK475755/

https://www.fastcompany.com/4043880...engineers-are-helping-rebuild-gaza-with-waste

https://www.aps.org/publications/apsnews/201708/gaza.cfm

https://qz.com/780819/who-would-wan...ed-territory-meet-the-optimists-of-palestine/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architecture_of_Palestine


https://www.forbes.com/sites/amygut...s-science-and-engineering-students-are-women/

https://financialtribune.com/articl...70130/iranian-engineers-outnumber-technicians

 

This opinions are like... serves zero to productive discourse. Try researching Iran, and its history. Iran like any country in the Middle East and globally has its share of misdeeds but your understanding of its government and history of its rule is far too incomplete to make the comment you made. There are some books on the line of the Ayatollahs I can recommend for you, if you want. During Reagan's Iran Contra in complicitness with Israel to sell Iran old weapons, the Ayatollahs were exceptionally anti-American, this is true but what went even then is far more complex than your pedestrian narrative.

 

If Israel wants to survive and thrive it can do so without illegal West bank expansion, encroachment upon Syrian territory, and plotting against Iran with Saudi Arabia. The technology coming out of Isra is impressive but the abuse of WhatsApp hacking as a result is a human rights violation.

 

Zero

 

Opinions are only that, they're not facts.

My understanding of Iran history, past and recent is above average and I already have a nice library, both french and english, thank you. Kohmeini was anti-western civilization, which is ironic since he was living in exile in France, one of the most open society on this planet moral wise.

But, please keep pushing the iranian narative even though it's nothing we haven't already seen posted by Iranian Monitor.

 

But I bet you were ok with Jordan expansion into the West Bank and Egypt into Gaza.
And hacking Whatsapp is a human right violation??? Did they lower the bar that low already??? LOLOL!

 

Well, despite your "library" about Iran, and not saying much in your post other than the fact that Ayatollah Khomeini (whose name you mis-spelled) was anti-Western civilization (largely correct, but not necessarily in what that may imply to you), I am sure there is a lot you could learn about Iran that you don't know. Among more trivial points, that Ayatollah Khomeini actually lived in France only for a few months before his return to Iran, as he had spent most of his exile in Iraq in the seminaries of Najaf where he had worked and developed his theory of Guardianship of Jurist (Velayat Faqih) which became the basis for Iran's system of government and where had worked to develop his network of clerical supporters who took his message to Iran. It was, in fact, the Shah who had put pressure on Iraq's government to kick Khomeini out of Iraq, where he then found his temporary refuge in France, and where he then gained the means to communicate better not just with his clerical supporters, but also with more westernized opponents of the Shah.