U.S. Supreme Court Ruling: ATHEISM IS RELIGION

ALTER2EGO -to- EVERYONE:

Atheism is Religion according to the 1961 Torcaso v. Watkins case that was affirmed by the U.S. Supreme Court--the highest court in the land--where court rulings become national law. As recently as 2005, the Wisconsin Federal Court ruling on the matter of Kaufman v. McCaughtry again ruled that Atheism is Religion. In spite of the many court rulings along that line, members of the Religion of Atheism insist they are not religious. They attempt to take the higher ground by insisting that Christians are mental midgets for being religious and for believing in a "non-existent sky gawd."

Atheist religionists often refer to the Judeo-Christian Bible as a book of fairytales. At one website where I have debated, the Bible was referred to by atheists as the "BuyBull." Not only that, in most of my conversations with atheists at various websites, their usual accusation is that because of the belief in God, theists have committed all sorts of human rights violations in the name of "cultish religions." According to the many atheists I have debated at other websites, it is the belief in God that has caused people to commit the various atrocities common to sinful mankind. Remove religion, belief in God, and belief in the Bible--the atheists frequently argue--and the world will be a better place. This latter conclusion is mortally flawed for the following reasons:

1. Atheism is itself a religion.

2. Atheists have committed human rights violations en masse throughout history. For instance, Joseph Stalin--the atheist--ordered the deaths of between 40 million to 62 million people (20 million of whom were everyday Soviet civilians). Compare that to the 9 million or so killed by Adolph Hitler, the Roman Catholic who merely claimed he was a Christian.

In reality, the problem is not the Bible or God. The problem is false religions that have failed to teach the masses Biblical truths. Blaming God for the crimes of people whose behaviors he himself reject is an attempt at passing the buck.

"See! This only I have found, that the true God made mankind upright, but THEY THEMSELVES have sought out many plans." (Ecclesiastes 7:29)

DISCUSSION POINTS:
1. Considering that atheists have themselves committed human rights violations under the banner of non-belief in a supernatural God or gods, why can one argue that "belief in god" is not the actual reason behind crimes against humanity?

2. Atheists routinely argue they do not belong to a religion. According to them, non-belief in God is proof positive that they are not religious. Do you agree with the atheists' position? Why so or why not?

3. Based upon numerous court rulings that Atheism is Religion, it is obvious that belief in a supernatural God or gods is not a requirement for being considered part of a religion. What arguments can you present along this line?

 

The same people applauding this are trying to overturn Roe vs Wade....

 

I think its important to note the differences between atheism, secular humanism, religion and spirituality here. The rulings seem to be of secular humanism. Secular either means nonreligious, or within Christianity, 'nonregular', which I reckon refers to nondenominational. As an example, I am a Christian as I believe Christ is the son of God whom sacrificed Himself to allow for forgiveness of our sins. However, Im also secular in that I reject all authoritative interpretations of scripture and hold that the only legitimate interpretation is that of the individual reading Gods word for themself. I also believe, according to my personal interpretation of scripture, that Gods purpose for humanity is that we use our divinely gifted and inspired creativity, our Will and our universe of resources to advance ourselves, to worship God by becoming like Him via technological and spiritual discovery. This makes me a humanist. I am, technically speaking, a Secular Christian Humanist.

From what I can tell, these rulings you cite are not defining Atheism as a religion, but rather holding that a lack of spiritual belief is protected by the 1A as much as a spiritual belief. A subtle but important distinction.

FTR I do think some Atheists go beyond 'lack of belief' and actively claim that there is factually 'no God', and have historically followed authoritarian government doctrine to a religious level. But I don't think the SC is saying 'Atheism is a religion.'

 

Atheism by definition isn’t a religion. Just like not playing baseball is not a sport. You are taking that ruling out of context.

 

religious

Definition of religious

1 : relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged ultimate reality or deity

The supreme court got one right! Anyone claiming religion that is not 100% a religion gets rejected by the court.

atheists adhere to atheism and as we can see their faithful devotion to what they believe is the ultimate reality.

Of course atheism is a religion, just like water is wet!

 

I was not aware that religion required spiritual belief? Im agnostic and I dont hesitate to claim I have religion.

Secular religion
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A secular religion is a communal belief system that often rejects or neglects the metaphysical aspects of the supernatural, commonly associated with traditional religion, instead placing typical religious qualities in earthly entities.

I love the way these twits try to abolish individualism, communal

 

How would you describe 'nonreligious' then? Can such a thing even exist in the human dynamic? What criteria (if any) would make someone 'nonreligious'?

 

No, with the exception someone is mentally incapacitated, or otherwise not capable of comprehending right v wrong etc.

Religion is (metaphorically the substance) in your mind (beliefs) that you use to govern your actions, regardless of the source.

 

So, no matter what you believe you are practicing a religion. Uh.... okay.

 

So your position is that only sociopaths can be nonreligious.

I think your definition of 'religion' is different than most folks. (tbf, so is mine. its a very subjectively understood word, that imo leads to much of the conflict in associated debate).

 

It doesn’t matter how many times you repeat it. Atheism remains by definition not a religion.

 

not eating pork is a strongly held religious tenant

 

But .... the position of the OP is.... that eating pork would also be religious.

 

well the common usage is promoted strictly as worship and belief in a deity, which is not true of course. That is nonother than the statist version.

 

which part?

 

you are the one repeating it despite it proven wrong by so many people, better say repeat it again quick maybe it will be right this time.

 

I dont think Id go quite that far because Im sure there are lots of well meaning people who think they have all the facts but dont, at least without pissing away 1/2 a lifetime doing research like yours truly.

If you are not exercising beliefs that you personally have accepted as true and hold them strongly enough to put into action against the grain of society then you are exercising someone elses religion.

There is a huge push, preparations were made yeas ago, to destroy the word religion since the reserved rights in the BoR are above the state jurisdiction without a voted upon stipulation which does not exist and I hope people are smart enough to never allow to exist in this country.

What good is your religion if you cannot exercise it?

The states have reduced you to worship and praying only (the philisophical aspects without the ability to act, Klien cake issue Mormons again) and the feds whited out the exercise clause in reynolds v us, when congress in direct violation of the 1st amendment passed laws that made a religious tenent of the mormons illegal and worse the nonseperation of gubmint Just-Us club agreed that it was legal because courts can regulate actions with no explanation of course, however they forget to mention that is only with regard to their commercial realm, and only if polyamory inflicted damages or injury on someone, it did not, never will. That was about 1830 the ink wasnt even dry yet.

If they destroy the meaning of religion they destroy the need to clean up all the religious rights violations they have committed in the past and of course we all lose, well they hijacked our rights long time ago so we already lost our rights as they have been and continue to be converted to privileges subject to gubmint approval religion was one of the first to fall.

 

Theists and atheists believe with a feeling of certainty that their assumption about a god or no god is truth.

The less rational dont know they assumed one way or thrthe other .

Agnostics understanding an assumption must be made has to say they do not know the truth .

 

Damn right who wouldn't want to overturn a law that allows murder, however I think it's a states rights issue not a federal one.



However there is no legitimate argument that for the purposes of law and the constitution Atheist is a religion.

The reason they don't want it to be called a religion is to have it be exempt from the separation of church and state so they can control people.

 

Kokomojojo:

I would appreciate if you would post in your own thread dealing with this topic of Atheism is Religion. Here is the link to your own thread, which you managed to spam up with walls of text so that it reached 81 pages within a space of six months: http://www.politicalforum.com/index...eism-is-a-religion-mod-warning.554804/page-81

You hijacked my previous Atheism is Religion thread by copying pasting all types of arguments, videos, and walls of text on page after page. You managed to overrun my previous thread, at which point, the thread reached 146 pages soon after you started posting your excessive arguments within the thread. http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/the-religion-of-atheism.250560/page-146 You have no respect for other people's thread.

Just so you know, after a thread reaches 150 pages, the moderators tend to lock the thread. In other words, your hijacking behavior will cause this thread to end up being locked.

We are only on page 1 of this thread, and you have already posted eight ( times ON THE FIRST PAGE. I do not need your help here. If you do not leave this thread, I will abandon this website as I have no interest in creating threads so that inconsiderate people can hijack the thread.


Alter2Ego

 

Oh, I didnt realize your thread was private!

Go get em tiger!

 

It doesn’t matter how many times you repeat it. Atheism will remain, by definition, not a religion. Sorry.

 

Neither atheism nor theism are religions. They are positions on one question; the are not entire belief systems. There are, however, atheist religions, such as LaVeyan Satanism and several forms of Buddhism.

 

So atheism is a religion because some human court says so?

 

I doubt he can understand that. Critical thinking is in trouble.