To impeach or not to impeach, that is the question

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  1. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    Wow, even when you're wrong, you can't accept it.

    Delusional!
     
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    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    All three of them did something that was undeniably illegal. As far as I've been able to tell the gist of the impeachment effort against President Trump comes down to people (like you) not liking him.

    Can you be honest? If President Trump had done nothing to justify being removed from office you would still want him removed from the presidency at the earliest possible opportunity?
     
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    "They [Trump's fans] refuse to talk about what Trump is saying and doing."

    I love how you continue to prove that I am not wrong. I am seriously beginning to wonder which side you are on. You help me a lot.
     
  4. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    I'd say you need the help. Your constant cross posting of the same comments across threads are just not getting any attention. What you don't want is the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on those threads -- you need me on those threads to call attention to ridiculous comments you make. I have neither the time nor the inclination to reply to each and every talking point you copy from your leftie blogs. I would rather that you just said "thank you" for any crumb of attention I grant you and go on your way.
     
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    Trump continues to please Putin.

    After rejecting American intelligence at Helsinki and siding with Putin over the Russian dictator's denial of Russian interference in our 2016 Presidential election, after ordering a retreat in Syria, allowing Russian troops to occupy American bases, and after blaming Ukraine, not Russia, for interfering in our 2016 Presidential election, Trump now threatens the good military order of the U.S. navy.

    Trump's lackey, Secretary of Defense Mark Esper, fired Navy Secretary Richard Spencer. Spencer supported the navy's leadership in the case of Navy Chief Petty Officer Edward Gallagher. For that, Trump ordered Esper to fire the navy secretary.

    The AP reports, "Defense Secretary Mark Esper has fired the Navy’s top official, ending a stunning clash between President Donald Trump and top military leadership over the fate of a SEAL accused of war crimes in Iraq.

    "Esper said Sunday that he had lost confidence in Navy Secretary Richard Spencer and alleged that Spencer proposed a deal with the White House behind his back to resolve the SEAL’s case. Trump has championed the matter of Navy Chief Petty Officer Edward Gallagher, who was acquitted of murder in the stabbing death of an Islamic State militant captive but convicted of posing with the corpse while in Iraq in 2017."

    One way or the other, Trump has to be removed from office.

    It is surprising to many that Republicans do not reject this foolish and incompetent President. In a note of pure irony, Republicans attacked Colonel Vindman because he was so concerned about the July 25 phone call to Zelensky that he went immediately to the NSC chief counsel, bypassing his immediate superior, former senior White House national security official Tim Morrison. Republicans claim Vindman violated the chain of command.

    Trump's interference in the judgment of the navy's courts martial and high command ultimately resulted in the firing of the navy secretary. Talk about disrupting the chain of command, causing the dismissal of the navy secretary tops everything.

    Republicans in Congress say little or nothing about Trump's disruption of the navy's chain of command.

    The same is likely to be true of Trump's dwindling number of Trump's fans. Most will ignore this analysis. A tiny number will read the analysis but are incapable of responding. Another tiny number will read the analysis and respond with a wisecrack or place equal blame on Hillary or Bill or Barack or all three. Why they continue their support of this foolish and incompetent President is a mystery.

    They don't know, either.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So much wrong, so little time. One wonders if you get tired of espousing erroneous information all the time.

    For instance the lie about blaming Ukraine and not Russia. Demonstrably false. Are you under the impression that only one country at a time can interfere? Are you ready to dismiss evidence because of that lie?
     
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    You've been claiming this for years without bothering to provide actual PROOF of what would or would not "please" Putin.

    You really expect people to believe you know the mind of Vladimir Putin?
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And said poster aka gear head, totally ignores the enormous friendship Obama had with Putin.
     
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    See what I mean. You are concerned about my health.
     
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    The Hill writes, "John Dean, the former White House counsel to President Nixon, on Monday mocked an assertion by President Trump's lawyer of having an "insurance" policy against Trump, calling it evidence of Trump's inner circle working as a "Mafia" crime family.

    "Dean tweeted Monday that Rudy Giuliani's reference to possible compromising information related to Trump amounted to blackmail of the president of the United States."

    "So Rudy owns The Donald. Blackmailing the President of the United States on Fox News is fitting! Does America really want a POTUS owned by Rudy Giuliani. Wonder if Rudy has a guaranteed pardon if Lev or Igor turn on him in the SDNY? Trump’s presidency is like a Mafia soap opera!" Dean wrote.

    When not a threat to our national security as in the case of Helsinki, Syria, and a menace to good military order, the Trump administration is a joke.
     
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    Trump requested foreign interference in our Presidential election, and, according to his chief of staff and several witnesses who worked for him, used extortion to get Zelensky to comply.

    This okay to you? Is it okay for future Presidents to seek help from foreign governments in their election campaigns?

    That is what Republicans are saying, too.
     
  12. Dayton3

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    Fine with me. I'm pretty certain it has been done numerous times in previous campaigns.
     
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    The difference is that, in those cases, there were definite examples of laws being broken.

    In the case of Trump, idiot Dems started talking about impeachment the day after they got their collective ass handed to them. There's is an impeachment in search of a crime, and there's just no evidence of one.

    I can't wait to see Democratic heads explode when Trump gives his acceptance speech for a second term...
     
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    No, just once. Trump in 2016. You cannot prove otherwise.
     
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    The same is likely to be true of Trump's dwindling number of Trump's fans. Most will ignore this analysis.
     
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    Easy to ignore totally biased and misleading nonsense.
     
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    stone6 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Terrible reply. If it was done in the past, doesn't make it right.
     
  18. Dayton3

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    Nations interfere in other nations elections. The U.S. has done it aplenty. And to me while I would prefer it wasn't done I fully understand why. Elections in the U.S. impact other nations and vice versa.
     
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    So...you believe Trump was OK in seeking Russian help in the 2016 election? And, the Russians were OK in interfering?
     
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    Trump said Tuesday that he would “love” for several senior administration officials to testify in the impeachment inquiry, but he claimed the White House was preventing them from doing so to protect the institution of the Presidency. :roflol::banana::clapping::rolleyes:

    Trump is becoming a really great comedian. I could not stop laughing when I read this.

    Is someone else in charge of the White House? :roflol::roll:
     
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    But it was OK for Obama to do the same thing. Got it.
     
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    You have a very serious reading problem. I said:

     
  23. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    I've already answered that. Yes to both.
     
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    Yes for the reasons I gave.
     
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    Then you disagree with the law. Your objection is noted.
     

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