To impeach or not to impeach, that is the question

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    About two minutes in:



    I fully expect you to dismiss that or clumsily attempt to explain it away, but that is the very definition of a quid pro quo, far surpassing anything that Trump may have done...
     
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    There are some who argue that, if the circumstances and evidence warrants it, it is the Constitutional duty of the House to impeach the President.

    That is true. If the situation calls for it, it is the Constitutional duty of the House of Representatives to impeach the President. However, according to our Constitution, Congress has many Constitutional duties and sometimes they conflict with one another.

    That is the case here. The ultimate purpose of impeaching the President is his removal from office. Impeachment is merely an indictment against the President. The trial to determine his removal from office takes place in the Senate with the chief justice presiding.

    Therein lies the problem. As matters stand now, the 67 votes needed to remove Trump from office simply won't happen.

    Indeed, the very opposite is likely to happen. When the Senate exonerates Trump, the sympathy vote could easily propel Trump toward another four years in office.

    In terms of the purpose of impeachment, the very opposite result could happen, and it is extremely likely, as matters stand now, that Trump would not be removed from office.

    Congress has another Constitutional duty. Through its oversight responsibilities, Congress has the Constitutional duty to keep Americans informed of the very bad judgments and the false statements of a very bad President to enable Americans to remove the very bad President from office in the next election.

    In the opinion of many, including the leadership in the House, the Constitutional duty to keep Americans informed has a higher calling than the Constitutional duty to impeach. Why? Because the former will achieve the desired result while the latter is likely to cause unwelcome, unintended consequences.
     
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    Just denying the evidence exists because of ignorance is not defending Trump. Such denials make you look foolish.
     
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    The vice-president cannot withhold military aid approved by Congress and signed by the President. He does not have the power to do so. Biden said that for political reasons. In other words, he was bragging. Bragging does not constitute a policy decision he didn't have the power to make.

    Indeed, as we are learning, not even the President can withhold funds approved by Congress without providing a reason to Congress.

    Firing the shady prosecutor was the position of the U.S. government, the E. U., and the IMF.

    This is what happens when you use obscure far right sources. You make a fool of yourself.
     
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    You need to re-read what I said.

    Or, are you just trying to waste my time by pretending you are stupid?

    Relax, you are not the only one overlooking important facts concerning the impeachment inquiry. Regarding Trumpets, they all do it.
     
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    You definitely are in denial. You look it up.
     
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    Yup, you caught me. I changed the subject from impeachment to impeachment. How foolish of me.
     
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    It doesn't matter. If Biden's account is true, his comment "Call him" (with regards to calling, Obama) clearly suggested that Obama wouldn't approve the billion dollars. If they fired the prosecutor, though, they would get the money.

    It's pretty black and white. Idiot libs are trying to impeach Trump for essentially the exact same thing the prior administration did. But, as we know, liberals are hypocrites...

    It's pretty clear that you're clueless, so I'm gonna' leave you be for now. I'm sure you'll belch up some other nonsensical bullshit but, for now, you're boring me..
     
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    That's right. Biden's political comment doesn't matter.

    I spoke about reality. You are dealing with speculation.

    Always wise to back down when proven wrong. Remember what I said about those sources.
     
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    Why do you believe someone running against an incumbent White House is immune to federal investigation of the actions he took while a federal official?
     
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    Indeed.
    How did this work out for you?
     
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    In other words, there is no form of evidence in favor of President Trump that you would ever accept.
     
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    Of course, you know that's not what I was saying.

    You have to resort to dishonesty to try to make a point...

    You wouldn't know reality if it fell on you...

    HAHAHA!

    You can't stand the fact that Joe Biden basically used coercion to get what he wanted from another world leader.

    Libs are hypocrites. We get it...
     
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    Trump doesn't present any. He refuses to allow those close to him to testify. That should tell you something, but it won't.
     
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    Fox News reports. "Former Trump Deputy National Security Adviser K.T. McFarland believes the impeachment hearings have been a "total waste of time" and the division in the country is exactly what Russia wants."

    "This is Putin's dream, to have everybody fighting with themselves in America," McFarland said on Thursday's episode of Fox News Radio's "Hemmer Time" podcast.

    She stressed to host Bill Hemmer that the most important part of last week's hearings was the testimony from former National Security Council aide Fiona Hill, who told lawmakers that Russian President Vladimir Putin's goal is to sow discord on both sides of the American political spectrum.

    "That is their goal, to pit us against each other, not necessarily to elect this guy or that guy, but to get us fighting amongst ourselves so that the country becomes dysfunctional, so that we start doubting our elections and we start losing faith in our own institutions," said McFarland, urging Americans to read Hill's full opening statement.

    "That's what Putin's all about. It's payback time for him. The Cold War ended because the Soviet economy collapsed. The Soviet Union collapsed. He wants to collapse American democracy."

    Thank you, Mr. President.
     
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    It tells me more when you will not bother denying my statement about you.
     
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    You forgot to include Jerry Nadler, Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff, etal.

    Those dipshits were harping about impeachment since the day Trump won. They are evil vermin...
     
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    I am actually looking forward to Nadler this week. He is no Adam Schiff...lol
     
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    These Trumpets completely ignored what was said in the Fox article.

    But that is what they do, and they quickly changed the subject to yours truly or Democrats.
     
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    The Hill writes, "Each side is trying to make the case that public opinion is trending in their favor — but there is little evidence either way.

    "There was a measurable rise in pro-impeachment sentiment around the time that Trump’s July 25 call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky became public in late September.

    "In that call, Trump prodded Zelensky to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden, as well as a conspiracy theory relating to purported Ukrainian meddling in the 2016 presidential election."

    This is what many cannot understand. It seems today that many Americans have forgotten that in that phone call Trump asked for foreign intervention in our Presidential election and used bribery as a motivational tool. Both are impeachable offenses.

    Republicans, on the other hand, completely ignore the gravity of the charges and think that what Trump did was not impeachable when it clearly is.

    The Hill continued, "All of the drama since then — high-profile hearings on Capitol Hill and counterblasts from the president’s Twitter account and his political and media allies — has not shifted the ground appreciably.

    "A CNN/SSRS poll released Tuesday showed exactly the same split as the previous month on the question of whether Trump should be impeached and removed from office. Fifty percent of U.S. adults surveyed were in favor of his removal, 43 percent were against — the same as in late October."

    In other words about half of all Americans think that the President asking for foreign interference in our elections and using bribery is okay. They don't care about the horrible precedent being set. It is difficult to understand that reasoning.
     
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    As you have been told for nearly three years....
    - Trump will remain your President until at least January 2021.
    - There's nothing you can do about it.
     
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    The House Judiciary Committee is setting a deadline of December 6 for President Donald Trump to decide whether his attorneys will participate in the committee's impeachment proceedings against him.

    House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler, a New York Democrat, sent Trump a letter Friday with the new date asking if the President's counsel plans to request witnesses or make a presentation as part of the proceedings.


    https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/29/politics/jerry-nadler-letter-trump-impeachment/index.html
     
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    Trumpets have given up again. That was easy. Why? They are backing a loser, and they know it.
     

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