Americans Still Favor Private Healthcare System

Then ya got the wrong job.

 

Maybe where you work, but not where I work.

 

Given that my point is that ESI options (to the extent any options are offered to consumer at all) are determined entirely by the employer, sounds like you're in agreement.

You can't buy into GM's plan unless you work for GM. ESI is defined by exclusivity and lack of consumer choice, unlike the marketplace where insurers bring products to market that are open to any buyer and thus insurers compete directly for individual consumers.

 

Apparently AOC doesn’t. Remember when she squawked about needing a raise? If she doesn’t have $8k sitting around, then it must be worse for people making less than a congressman.

 

No longer going to govt subsidized clinics?
Most jobs don’t only offer select plans. I’ve got good union benefits and pay nothing, but I don’t have unlimited choices.

 

My wife and I have had private health insurance all our lives, and we raised two children. It's worked well for us.

 

Then work hard and get a job with an employer with a Cadillac Health plan.

 

Maybe you need a better job.

 

So, if you want those benefits then seek a job with GM. People unwilling to work hard toward a goal want what we that have paid our dues with sweat, tears and sometimes blood. That's just too bad, they know how to get it. They will just have to settle for the Government safety net system already in place.

 

That's not how markets work. You don't have to change careers to gain access to a product sold in a market, you just pay money for it. Ergo ESI is not an example of a market. Decisions are made by an HR department, not the consumers enrolled in the product, those in the product can't choose a different one, and those outside the company can't choose to buy into the product. ESI is as paternalistic as single-payer.

I don't know what you're disputing at this point.

 

I don’t want the government making autos, clothing, or electrical appliances. Similarly, I don’t want the government dictating healthcare.

 

Problem is in most markets there is only a single plan to choose from, and that's no choice at all.

 

At AT&T we had three plans to choose from.

 

I cant buy into the Congress plan either, I like my plan but I'd LOVE theirs!

 

All the data shows single payer systems provide better care than ours, at a fraction of the cost. Ideology doesn’t change reality.


https://www.who.int/healthinfo/paper30.pdf

 

Nothing in your post is true. You did not have to pay $25k out of pocket for a foot surgery, unless you are uninsured. The max out of pocket for a family plan is $12.5k. Your premiums didn’t magically go down under trump

 

The ACA is all health insurance. Both individual and employer based group plans. It’s all the same. Obamacare is private insurance. The hrsa you referenced is government run. Lol

 

Single payer would mean paying less and receiving more.

https://www.who.int/healthinfo/paper30.pdf

 

Yes, where you work. You at most have 3-4 options to choose from, that’s it. You can’t buy into another employers plan. You only get to choose from what your employer selected for you.

 

Autos, clothing and appliances are all commodities. Healthcare is not. Commodities are suited for a free market system. Healthcare, not being a commodity, is not. It’s why single payer systems are superior to ours. They provide better care than we do at a fraction of the cost of ours.

 

That only works where the plan is managed properly, something the U.S. government is not capable of doing.

 

Of course it is. We already have this with Medicare. Medicare is incredibly popular among its recipients, and extremely efficient.

 

Bull, Medicare is rife with fraud and most doctors that accept it pad their bills with all kinds of unneeded extras such as tests, little work low risk and high markup tests.

Plus the system is already headed into bankruptcy, sounds like a wonderful plan if one never gets sick or has an emergency and doesn't plan on living much longer.

 

No they do not. Medicare will deny unnecessary charges doctors would try to pad. Even with the fraud, Medicare is still more efficient and cheaper than private insurance.

Medicare is not headed into bankruptcy.

 

You're not. GM buys a custom product for their employees as part of their employment package. I have custom fit kitchen cabinets in my kitchen, do you want to buy the exact same ones? You can but it's going to cost you. If you don't like the compensation package offered don't work there. If you don't like the fit of my kitchen cabinets in your kitchen buy one that do fit. I have a Cadillac health insurance package where I work as part of the compensation package in exchange for my labor, I like it very much that's one of the reasons I work there. If you want the same health care package you can buy it from the company I get mine from......bring your Visa Card.