Americans Still Favor Private Healthcare System

We have two, Cadillac and economy. The youngsters usually take economy and the oldsters take the Cadillac.

 

Yup. And it is healthcare. Public healthcare is raving all over Europe and not in the US.
Yet in the US the cost of healthcare in the US is sky high compared to Europe.
End of discussion.

 

I could not get better care in Europe than I can in Dallas.

 

So you are now claiming 19 billion of fraud in a decade is being efficient?

Oh yes it is, unless rationing of services is imposed.

By the way cheaper is not the same as less expensive, everyone would like less expensive health care insurance, only fools want cheaper health care insurance.

 

If any of this is even remotely true, which I highly doubt, why in the world would you not welcome the switch to single payer?

 

All the data shows your statement is false.

https://www.who.int/healthinfo/paper30.pdf

 

Compared to private insurance? Yep.

No it isn’t.

Cheaper literally means less expensive. Lol. The simple fact of reality remains, single payer systems provide better care at a fraction of the cost of our system.
https://www.who.int/healthinfo/paper30.pdf

 

Bull crap, fraud against private insurance goes against the company and it's stockholders, fraud against Medicare is billed to everyone who pays into Medicare.

This is one of the reasons private insurance companies stay on top of fraud, unlike Medicare which runs on other peoples money and fraud prevention takes a backseat to preventing it.

 

Medicare to go broke three years earlier than expected, trustees say

WASHINGTON — Medicare’s financial problems have gotten worse, and Social Security’s can’t be ignored forever, the government said Tuesday in an annual assessment that amounts to a sobering checkup on programs vital to the middle class.

The report from program trustees says Medicare will become insolvent in 2026 — three years earlier than previously forecast. Its giant trust fund for inpatient care won’t be able to cover projected medical bills starting at that point.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-pol-medicare-going-broke-20180605-story.html

 

And yet single payer (Medicare) is more efficient, provides better care and is cheaper than private insurance.

Fraud is also rampant in private insurance. There’s no way to eliminate it. The facts remain the same. Single payer systems provide better care for a fraction of the cost of private insurance.

 

Medicare is not going broke, or in any danger of going broke.

 

not for me, just like that 2500 I didnt save from the ACA, the system owes me about 17.5k if my number are right

 

Well, the data is quite clear. Single payer systems provide better care at a fraction of the cost of private insurance. I understand that might conflict with your ideology, but that won’t make reality go away.

 

Yet you have not provided how that idea will apply to the U.S., all you have done is provides unrelated links to other countries that are not even close to the U.S.in the way health care is managed.

 

WHO data is a joke. Didn’t they say Cuba has one of the top medical systems in the world? Cuban hospitals are frequently out of bandages and aspirin.

That’s like the U.N. placing Iran on the human rights commission.

I can get some of the top doctors in the world right here, within 30 miles. And I have access to the world’s best technology here as well.

 

Without delving into the argument of this thread
The fact is that medical care in the USA is extraordinarily expensive compared to government run systems in other countries. As far as I know, there is no example of the sort of medical care that we expect that is at the same time high qualitY and free market

Of course it is true that no system would be free of downsides... and that is also true for the national health service in the UK. But on balance, pretty much everyone in the UK has access to pretty good medical care at an affordable price that does not terrify them. And when these people in the UK become aware of the costa to medical care in the USA.... they are gobsmacked

 

The cost for 2 adults without children is $11,381, that's $5690.50 per adult or $474.20 per adult per month in higher taxes to pay for Government "free" universal health care. Right now my employer pays $465 and I pay $64 which will drop to $32 a month once I lose weight and fit into their "health" matrix. Where's the extra money in my pocket? Looks like a windfall for employers though.

 

I have, repeatedly. The same way it applies everywhere else with single payer, like it applies with Medicare.

Showing that single payer systems are superior.

 

“Nuh uh” isn’t an argument nor does it refute the peer reviewed paper I provided.

 

I think that you are not making an apples to apples comparison that combines all costs
I say this because it is possible to compare the per person cost of all people within different countries... as follows


1. United States — $10,209

2. Switzerland — $8,009

3. Luxembourg — $6,475

4. Norway — $6,351

5. Germany — $5,728

6. Sweden — $5,511

7. Ireland — $5,449

8. Austria — $5,440

9. Netherlands — $5,386

10. Denmark — $5,183

11. France — $4,902

12. Canada — $4,826

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I'm not interested in going through this sort of thing so that Americans who value smart phones and satellite television over buying health coverage can have care.

What's worse is Canucks have to see a primary care physician before they can see any of the specialists above.

 

Whatever. Go on believing Nigerians have better medical care available to them than Americans.

Cancer survival rates are higher here than in government run systems. The last stat I saw showed a prostrate cancer survival rate of 90% here and 50% in the U.K.

Government bureaucracy just screws stuff up. It is evil.

 

You can go private pay if wait time is an issue
That said.... it is like most things in life
If you want to pay more... you can get better service
Canadians have made a conscious trade off...
Comprehensive coverage for everyone at a lower price in exchange for longer wait times


https://news.gallup.com/poll/8056/Healthcare-System-Ratings-US-Great-Britain-Canada.aspx

Oh gosh.... that is exactly how my Health care insurance works (and has worked).... and I do not live in Canada. I guess insurance companies both here and in Canada want to reduce costs... and one way of doing this is to eliminate a patient deciding that he has cancer and needs to see a specialist. But, as always... if you want to go outside your insurance and pay out of pocket, nothing stops you from doing that... it is your option if you want to pay extra

 

Medicare has the benefit of operating alongside a private system that it has to compete with. Medicaid refuses to compete. Ask the recipients of that how happy they are.

https://www.healthcaredive.com/news...-accept-medicaid-than-other-insurance/546941/

 

I agree. Health care if a finite resource. The US allocates it based on ability to pay. Canada allocates it based on need. I imagine if I ever became uninsured I might be more likely to fall into the latter category.

And the service is not better. It's not really debatable that Americans with insurance who receive routine care experience outcomes comparable or better to those in Canada.

https://www.bcbsm.com/index/health-...ealth-insurance-works/difference-hmo-ppo.html

You should enroll in a PPO if want to see specialists without a referral.