The Defense Rests: GOP Leaders Reportedly Considering Not Calling a Single Witness

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  1. Bush Lawyer

    Bush Lawyer Well-Known Member

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    That is an absurd proposition TC. Are you telling me that it is entirely okay that POTUS tell the IRS never to investigate a nominated person's tax position?
     
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    Yes they did. He was impeached for lying, something every politician does every day and his lie revolved around personal behavior rather than national security. That impeachment was just as political as this one. Let's save impeachment for a real and serious crime, not anger, hatred and politics.
     
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    The Clinton impeachment failed because of an OBVIOUS attempt at ENTRAPMENT by Starr.

    The BLOTUS impeachment is entirely SELF INFLICTED criminal VIOLATION of the Law of the Land.

    Yes, your BLOTUS DESERVES to be impeached for his serious criminal acts. However he probably will NOT incur any penalty because of PARTISAN POLITICS.
     
  4. Bush Lawyer

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    Are you telling me that every POTUS lies under oath every day, and that is quite okay? I suspect you are, and that is why I am very pessimistic about your Constitutional stability right now.
     
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    Yes Presidents set priorities for their Justice dept. They do not get involved in specific cases and they sure as hell do not get involved when the 'case' happens to be a likely political rival in next years election.
     
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    Durham's definitely will.
     
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    Like lying under oath in a deposition? When you're under oath, making it up is NOT an option. Clinton should have gone to jail.

    Two similar situations, two very different outcomes. One gets a virtual slap on the wrist, the other is scolded with "one of the most troubling things in our society today is people who raise their hand, take the oath to tell the truth and then fail to do that....This, I hope, is sufficient punishment for you. But more importantly, I hope that it is a deterrence to others. So your story can be taken far and wide to demonstrate to others the seriousness of the responsibility of telling the truth in court proceedings." and given 13 months in jail.
     
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    What I said is that politicians lie every day. Oaths have nothing to do with it. A lie is a lie.
     
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    Partisan politics started it. Partisan politics will end it. What a waste of time and money.
     
  10. MrTLegal

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    The lone caveat to this legal vs political aspect is that the impeachment proceeding does have to proceed in accordance with the laws of the house and Senate. Now, they are the ones who set the rules (just like a BOD would be able to set the internal rules for reviewing the misconduct of a corporate officer), but they do have to adhere to the rules they set up beforehand.
     
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    That is a directive to focus resources on a class, as opposed to a specific individual or entity.

    In fact the only time I can think of a President specifically targeting the investigation of a singular individual or entity is during a pardon or a national security type event, like devoting additional resources to the investigation of the Boston Marathon bombers or that Mail Bomber who sent explosive material to Trump's political enemies.

    And even then, those were directives to add resources after requests from state and federal authorities. Not a directive to start an investigation.
     
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    Those in power should be held to a higher standard. It is entirely appropriate to remove someone from their position of power when they commit a wrong, even when that wrong is not a violation of the criminal code.
     
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    Yes, I'm sure that the next investigation will DEFINITELY make all your dreams come true.
     
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    Correct he will still, like Clinton, be an impeached president. Impeached by Democrat partisan lackeys as we are witnessing this morning. Once again the chairman walking all over the proceedural rules to above this down the throats of the American people.
     
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    It's not dreams its a horror show and the IG investigation was just the trailer.
     
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    They didn't say he didn't commit the acts for which he was impeached they said the perjury, obstruction of justice and subornation of perjury did not warrant removal from office.
     
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    Nadler and Collins are going back and forth about it right now as Nadler tries to shutout the minority and their rights.
     
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    So?

    When Durham craps out, what will be the next Rabbit Hole that the RW will go down?

    After they get done calling Durham a "Deep State Stooge" for coming up empty?
     
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    What's your take on the testimony from Horowitz yesterday? Reading the thread you seemed to have backed out early. lol
     
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    What crime was Trump proven guilty of? Please disregard the hearsay testimony. Clinton was guilty of perjury, suborning perjury, obstruction, and eight other offenses.
     
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    Strange for a legal expert.
     
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    If he indicts Deep Staters, will you call him a Trump stooge like you falsely do Barr?
     
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    Yup, the IG has no power to indict, Durham does.
     
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    It will make his re-election that much more impressive.
     
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    How about Biden's directive to stop an investigation?
     
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