Trump signs sanctions bill against German pipeline

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  1. Sobo

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    I dont live in a flat, we own a farm house. That said keyboard warrior? You ake all the empty and hilarious threats. I just laugh about that.
     
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    I doubt most Russians soldiers are going to change sides simply because Germany pays them more. I have little regard for Russians but I don't look down on them that much.
     
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    von Braun said a lunar base is important. With all due respect but i think von Braun has more weight in that discussion.
     
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    In addition, without NATO, Russia would treat Germany as it did in 1945. There would be a GDR 2.0, only twice the size.

    https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1793.html
     
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    Btw news say the sanctions only delay the completion to 11th january. Bloomberg says the pipeline is completed at 11th january. Amd after tests will start operation between april and june.
     
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    Von Braun recommended various things for political reasons not actual technical reasons. He was big on recommending "bases" of various types because he believed if the U.S. built an expensive asset that it would be politically impossible to simply abandon them in the future.
     
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    What sense does it make to fly to the moon without having a base there? The goal is to colonize the solar system.
     
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    ...OK..but to my other point: is there any indication at all that Russia wants to take any EU territory by force, given my explanation of Crimea (a free vote) and East Ukraine (a history-based conflict like N. Ireland; many Russians settled there in the past during a period of Russian hegemony in Ukraine).
     
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    • Russia does not respect the national sovereignty of Western Countries.
    • Putin carried out murder attacks in Germany and the UK.
    • Putin is trying to manipulate elections.
    • Putin uses a troll army and propaganda media (RT) to influence opinions in the West via the Internet.
    • Putin once said: "The biggest misfortune of the 20th century was the fall of the Soviet Union".
    These are threatening signs ... :(
     
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    Delete.
     
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    - Western countries dont respect sovereignity of any countries. USA sanctions Germany foer a german energy project, so dismissed.
    - USA carries out murder attacks in Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya.
    - USA is trying to manipulate elections and uses its assets to even stage coups (Operation Ajax, color revolutions)
    - I say the biggest misfortune was the fall of the German Empire after WW I.

    These are threatening signs.

    Thats said, **** Ukraine and move on.
     
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    Very good. German DIW (Institute for Energy politics) was tasked to find answers for the US sanctions and says Germany should not ignore the sanctions.

    While Merkel said she will simply ignore it and continues to build the pipeline, the DIW says Germany and the EU should install environmental tariffs on US fracking gas.

    Speaker Kemfert said, we are in an economic war and an attack must be answered. By installing environmental tariffs on US LNG, it would be basicly pushed out of the european market.

    https://www.deutschlandfunk.de/nord...-von-den-usa.1939.de.html?drn:news_id=1083394
     
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    The people had enough of Wilhelm, who drove them into war.

    But with their first democracy, however, the Germans were quickly overwhelmed and wanted to go back to an authoritarian regime. So the replacement-Wilhelm, the crazy Swastika clown, "Fuhrer Adolph" came to power. But he also failed miserably.

    I hope your new Emperor Peter I., with a facial expression of a madman, brings you lederhosen guys more luck. :D

     
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    Does he want to repeat history? :D

    I rather think he doesn't know what will happen if Germans declare war on the United States.
     
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    he is a she.

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    And i think she knows history quite well. Economic warfare against USA usually gets won by Germany.

    In all cases so far USA buckled, simply because Trump cant afford his voter base to suffer. Germany and EU have been quite specific and so far targeted explicit republican states.

    By pushing tariffs on american LNG, its pushed out of business in Europe.

    I guess Trump knows very well that Halliburton and Exxon would give him the Kennedy exit.
     
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    Lederhosen? Seriously? You do realize that those are only worn in Bavaria? But why even argue with you zoom copter, just enjoy that from januray on gas transit through Ukraine is cut by 50%.
     
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    Only in your imagination. The German economy is the fifth-largest in the world whereas the US has the largest, most robust and technologically most powerful economy. Long live capitalism!
     
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    German sanctions are EU sanctions. So far we decided all in that regard for us.

    So yes, long live capitalism, its good that we are the worlds largest ecomomic block. Gives us the advantage to kick back. But not just us. France keeps kicking US too.

    Btw Zoomie, we might drop sanctions on Russia completly and accept the crimean issue.

    You did not expect us to support Ukraine any longer, when we are attacked, right? There is a reason why Ukraine was against sanctions. They fear losing our support.
     
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    Bad news for you buddy, Nordstream 2 got an emergency permission today to allow construction during winter months. Normally work was banned from end december to february to protect birds.

    This was changed today. Its also revealed the gap is smaller than 300 km.

    https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/meck...ekommt-Ausnahmegenehmigung,nordstream378.html

    The pipeline will be finished. What is interesting is, how will USA react?
     
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    Tired of your pathetic little nation already. Every time the world lets up even a little you become belligerent. Germany needs to be controlled and not given any freedom.
     
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    Should we invite your ambassador to the inauguration of the pipeline?

    Short ideology question regarding your rant that we should be controlled and wihhout any freedom, how does that fit to your freedom, democracy and pursuit of happiness ideology?
     
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    You have claimed to be our enemy. That makes you an enemy of democracy. You would prefer to lie in bed with those opposed to Democracy.
     
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    We voted a parliament. Said parliament agreed that we build this pipeline. That is democracy. We have the freedom to decide our energy politics. Im sure you agree.
     
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    And we have the right to decide it’s against our interests and national security. Seems Germany is no longer a friend of the US. I am pretty sure you need us more than we need you.
     
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    Did i vote your leadership? No decission without representation. The core principle of democracy. The day that Germans vote the american government is the day your government can make decissions that touch our internal interests. Since thats not the case, your government cant decide over us. Its quite an easy concept. Mayb "Boston Tea Party" rings a bell.

    I dont know who needs who more. What i know is, that construction continues as planned. The pipeline is completed at 11th January. With a 3 weeks delay. And will be operational between april and june.

    The very fact that we ignore your attack is a good response in my opinion. Ignore and continue as planned.
     

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