Educated vs "Non-Educated"

Well...the article IS 2 years old. But the point was that they are very rich people and never got that oh so coveted college/university degree that Dems seem to think is needed to prove that their voters are some how better (more intelligent) than Republican voters.

 

Capitalism definitely does have its disadvantages. Any system does really. They're all made by human beings after all and human beings are notorious at messing things up. Which is why I DON'T support Bernie. Not because I disagree with him on things like college for everyone, I actually agree with him on that. But I am against socialism. Socialism has always failed and has always subjugated people. Capitalism on the other hand has risen more people to freedom than any other system out there. So despite its failings, I support it. Because no matter the person, if they work hard and don't play the victim then they can succeed. And I believe that if people were taught to not be selfish then we'd actually have less problems with our capitalist society.

 

This fails to understand those who are exploited to realize capitalism. When resources are commandeered, and poverty is the enemy of the state police, capitalism becomes an exploitive means. I’ve watched recent ads of George Clooney making propaganda for Nespresso, making light of them commandeering land left ravaged by war and climate change, disaster capitalism at its finest.

That is not humanity in its beauty, camaraderie and communication is the beauty. Despite our great technological efforts, we’re still afraid to bite the hand that feeds.

 

And you think socialism doesn't exploit anyone? How do you come to this conclusion?

 

Socialism at its core is the belief that the working class is the core of society. Socialism is a free market concept, the difference is the workers have democratic control of the company, rather than structuring a business like a monarchy. Many things, such as welfare don’t exist in a socialist society, welfare is a state investment to protect capitalist profiteering.

This is often caricatured as state totalitarianism, which is exactly what we do to protect capitalism. Big bankers got their bailouts, but struggling working class homeowners got the shaft. Socialism understands that capitalism becomes a big government tyranny, and socialists have been warning about it for over 200 years.

 

It’s a pretty simple idea to deal will. Yes, people without a formal education and a degree are perfectly capable of making good decisions. But,anyone regardless of their education. Needs to know their own limitations and seek advice and counsel from trusted sources in areas they must make a decision.

It’s obvious that even a person with a degree in English literature may be just as unqualified in making a medical decision as someone without.any degree. Both should seek medical advice from qualified individuals or institutions. You would hope a degreed person would know more but in reality it doesn’t necessarily indicate that by itself. It should be accompanied by successful experience in the field. Often that comes about by employment. And really, you’re not going to get many jobs in areas with higher knowledge content without an advanced degree.

So, degrees are very specific and limited. But, they can help people gain employment and over time they can become better resources for others who need advice in specific areas.

A non degree plumber can also give extremely valuable advice as well. But, if he expects to be trusted, it had better be substituted by verifiable experience in the area. And again, these things are often more easily attainable with a degree in many areas.

Simple.....who do you listen to for a weather forecast ? It’s usually someone with successful experience. And, institutions are most often the best source for the most qualified people to help. Institutions are where you find the best advice. They can employ people with a degree or they may not. You want to make a decision about your cancer I’d go listen to institutional decisions from those at Johns Hopkins then your buddies at the local bar.....johns Hopkins has accumulated lots of knowledge and some of it from non degree people. But, their contributions have been verified. Joe blow at the local bar...nope. .

 

And the people in power in socialist countries have killed millions simply for disagreeing with the majority or rather those in power.

But that aside.

Who makes the products? Who gets the products that are made? How are the materials gotten? If a person is in a higher hierarchy do they get more than the people below them?

 

Ha ha
Don’t fall into the trap that some legacy punk who is rich and inherited their money , Knows what they are doing. The same can be said for a criminal who surrounds himself with enough people to keep him rich and out of jail. These people cannot be trusted as their world revolves around their own wants and needs, and not anyone else. They are some of the worse decision makers for others.

 

That’s why we have democracies so we can practice doing the will of the people. Let’s hope “the people” aren’t a small minority.

 

No one disputes the usefulness of degrees. Or the reason that we have them. What is in dispute is how the Dems think that higher education in college/university means that they are "more educated" and therefore more intelligent than Republican's who don't have as many people with those degrees from college/universities.

Or to put simply degrees from college/universities =/= intelligence. Yet Dems like to tout that they have "more educated people" on their side than Republicans. As if Dems hold the majority of intelligent people while Republicans are all stupid people that consists of people so unintelligent that they couldn't even finish high school.

 

As far as I know everyone in my list did not inherit their money, I could be wrong on that as I haven't looked that deeply into them. Yet some did build an entire country....

 

What kills the most people are those countries that do things based upon decisions by the fewest people with the most limited interests. The quest for sheer power without regard for anyone has killed more people then anything else. There is no “ism” attached to that. There are socialistic counties responsible for lots of deaths and some that have not. The ones that have not, are those that make decisions based upon the will of the fewest people. That comes down to limiting voting rights 8n countries that have free elections.

 

Like I said, caricature.

It works like humans work, hierarchies develop naturally.

If people all invest into something, shouldn’t everyone get something out of it?

 

I guess I wasn’t clear enough. Decision making and success is specific. Even degreed people should understand they not experts outside of their field and need a local plumber with experience to help them with very important decisions.

Many institutions are still the source of the best formation. Whether they employ degreeD people or not, is secondary.
But, going to a rich person for advice or giving up control of your life governance who made their money by inheriting it or even selling drugs is just as dumb as giving up your life’s decisions in cancer to someone with a degree in English lit.

 

Ha ha
I know just as many Dems with out degrees as I know close Republican friends without degrees.

But, institutions over time with reliable reputations are the source of the best information. The bottom line is this.

Degrees simply mean that in one field, you stayed and worked for something and the degree is proof of that reliability. No more, no less. Absent anyother knowledge of the experience,it has value.

 

tell me something, who is the most trust worthy in supplying good information, a qualified experienced institution with a reputation for success or wealthy individual ?

 

A degree is an indication you worked your ass off to get something and stayed with it. Absent anything else, it has value. A degree comes from INSTITUTIONS. Institutions have more collective knowledge then any individual. So, it has nothing to do with degrees, it has to do with being affiliated and listening to reliable institutions. You don’t need a degree to do that !


That’s an individual choice.

 

Name a country that is socialist and hasn't ended up in the dung heap of history.

 

How does a sales clerk in a clothing shop invest in manufacturing a car?

 

Me, myself, and I. Always question anyone else.

 

I have never seen such a bifurcation in any demographic concerning relative levels of formal education, universally regarded as an asset, both for the individual and for society, and a worthy aspiration for all Americans.

Those surveys that compare best-educated states vs worst-educated states based upon the percentage of college graduates (Forbes) generally show an empirical correspondence with relative wealth, health, and social stability.

That reality is not a reflection upon the relative merit of any individual.

 

Well, you really don’t indicate the wealth of the families that supplied opportunity either.

One thing all of these people have in common is this. They have an institutional connection in order to validate their contributions and provide them the opportunity to make money. The other thing not on the list, is all of the support people, including investors, Lawyers, counselors, and managers that these people have to help secure and maintain their wealth. These support personnel are top heavy with degrees.

You can list all the exceptions you want, but for the rest of us in the average spectrum, education is correlated to your earnings.
So, people can worship the rich all they want, but it’s a rabbit hole that leads to bad decisions more then not.

 

And, we can simply look at the correlation between education level earnings.
https://www.bls.gov/careeroutlook/2018/data-on-display/education-pays.htm

 

Where is the cure for cancer and the next new cell phone coming from.....me, myself and I ? doubtful.
check the correlation between education and earnings.
https://www.bls.gov/careeroutlook/2018/data-on-display/education-pays.htm

 

Merry Christmas y'all. Going to be unavailable for a few days.