Michael Moore: Trump Will Win in 2020 if Democrats Nominate Another ’Centrist Moderate’ like Hillary

If they nominate another internationalist neoliberal warhawk hack like Clinton they will lose. If they pander to kitchen table issues like roads, policing, etc then they will win.

If they pull a Jezza Corbyn and offer a myriad of socialist fairy tales then they will be just as far in the wilderness as the UK Labour Party.

Trump is a completely known quantity. His approval doesn't shift much from 42-47%, even thoughout investigations and impeachment. Who wins is pretty much entirely down to who the Dems pick.

 

Dems aren't talking about kitchen table issues-they are pushing things like illegal immigrant reparations.

 

Do have any idea what Buttigieg was actually talking about?

Do you believe that your nefarious IMPOSTUS should be allowed to DESTROY the lives of the small children that he had ILLEGALLY ABDUCTED without any compensation to them for their pain and suffering?

 

Michael Moore is another far left progressive that doesn't comprehend the majority of the country doesn't not align with his perspectives.

 

I like your open-mindedness, but as far as Biden goes -- he's shot himself in both feet, and will never really 'walk' again! Really, now that all Joe's own strong-armed, 'quid pro quo' antics in Ukraine for sonny-boy Hunter's juicy job have been blathered all over the planet, his candidacy is dead. Oh, Democrats will act like he matters -- until all this 'impeachment' fiasco finally ends, and they've milked it for all it's worth. But by next summer, when the convention happens, he'll bow out.

That's WHY we saw Michael Bloomberg come storming onto the candidacy scene -- at exactly the same time ol' Joe got his 'teat in the wringer' (with his own mouth).

As it stands, none of the 'Socialism-lite' clowns among Democrats can get elected next November -- BUT -- a guy like Bloomberg could actually appeal to those 'rational middle-class' voters. He knows what an economy is! He knows how to run a business! He has FIFTY BILLION DOLLARS (enough money to make Trump look like a street-beggar by comparison). And, Bloomberg hasn't done anything really STUPID -- yet -- like promising to give welfare and free medical care to illegal aliens like all the other morons have! Yes! Bloomberg has a chance!

. "AND, I can do fourth-grade arithmetic IN MY HEAD, without needing a 'smart' phone!"

 

The illegal parents are to blame, not law enforcement for enforcing the law.

 

Interesting take.

That said, I really don't see Bloomberg happening.

Even with all of Bloomberg's money, I don't see him getting the Dem. Nom.

That said, Bloomberg is free to set his own money on fire.

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And this part:

"AND, I can do fourth-grade arithmetic IN MY HEAD, without needing a 'smart' phone!"

^Can't Everybody?

I have never even used a calculator and can produce the most complex answers (involving Advanced Calculus and Linear Algebra) in a matter of seconds.

I have always calculated such answers "IN MY HEAD", and I just assumed that everyone could.

Go figure.

And back to the OP (and Moore), I completely disagree with his assessment.

That said, he has every right to serve as a Pro-Trump Shill.

 

You might enjoy this, and I swear it's true! A couple of years ago I was near a class of students being escorted by a teacher on some kind of 'field trip' here in Colorado, and we were just exchanging a few comments about the day, what they were out doing, etc.

The teacher seemed bright and alert, maybe about late-twenties, and as a rejoinder to something one of us had said about 'education', I asked her, point-blank, "What's the cube-root of 27?" She looked a little bit puzzled for a moment, and then replied, "Nine?"

Oh, incidentally, the very last (LAST) thing on Earth I can imagine is that Michael Moore would ever, under any circumstance, be a shill for Donald Trump! Were you serious...?

 

A whole bunch of fake premises there, but if they're here illegally I don't care, just get them out. Funny since your party wants to abort children by the million.

 

If these "illegals" are to be deported, then I just have one tiny suggestion.

Don't Deport Them until AFTER they have Voted Democratic.,

Anyway, back to Moore's comments in the OP, Moore seems to be trying to sabotage the Dems in 2020.

 

The Dems are doing that to themselves.

 

For some reason I thought dems were against foreign election interference-guess not.

 

This might be depressing, but then again, it's also California, so - we were doing an art project in one of my classes. The one part of it that involved math required them to center their names on a page, with each letter of their name being one inch wide. So "Pollycy", being seven letters would be seven inches wide. The paper is eleven inches wide. How much space is left over? 11 - 7 = ? I swear I had kids - and some of these were 8th grade kids - they couldn't solve it. It was almost as bad as the next step, divide the remainder by two for the margin on each side to be equal.

Ah, the way the LW thinks: If Trump tweets that the sky is blue and some random schlub agrees, then that person is a Trump shill.

 

Every once in a while the truth slips out.

 

AJ, I liked your post because you've given the RW on this board the best (late) Christmas present possible. Thanks!

 

Democrats may offer a social liberal and fiscal moderate (Biden, Klobuchar, Buttigieg, ?) or a social liberal and fiscal liberal (Sanders, Warren, ?). If Democrats go with Biden or Klobuchar, they're odds-on to take Trump down.

I don't think so. They still aren't happy and that's why Trump is vulnerable.

You're wayyyy overstating what liberals think based on what? Media hype would be my guess. You're in good company with liberals who see almost every Trump supporter as a MAGA type.

Biden and Klobuchar are Trump's worst nightmare. Especially Klobuchar who doesn't screw up like Joe.

 

Not really. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-election-leads-democratic-rivals/2663659001/

By definition, they are.

Klobuchar is no moderate, she has one of the most liberal voting records in the Senate.

 

I agree with Moore that Dems may win the popular vote by a larger number than in 2016. However, I also believe that Trump will win the electoral vote and reelection regardless who the Democrats nominate.

That party is a mess. The DNC moved left since 2016, and are not trying to please their moderate voter base, but instead trying to shove their base to the left. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, who chaired the party when they kicked out Bernie in 2016, was an old-guard establishment protector. She was replaced with Tom Perez, who called Occassio-Cortez the "future face of the Democrat Party". Polls show that the majority of Democrat voters want a moderate, so that's where Michael Moore is blind. He is part of the far-left pushers who is ignoring what voters want.

Moore has that big-city arrogant attitude common to leftists. He calls Trump supporters "more rabid than before", but he might as well be calling everyone who is rural, Democrats and Republicans alike, "rabid". It is Democrats in swing-states who want a moderate, and who are most likely to stay home on election day if Sanders or Warren gets the nomination. Moore's contempt for the rural population is evidenced by talking about people who are "living out there"...as if they are contemptible for not recognizing the supremacy of the leftward swing of the Hollywood influencers and far-left fringe groups. Deplorable for not bending the knee. Tsk. Tsk.

"They’re afraid he could lose, because they watched his behavior," Moore says. I say it's not a matter of "fear" that Trump is likely to be reelected. In fact, most Trump supporters are feeling fairly confident that Trump will win 2020. The matter is that the DNC is out of touch with what even their own voters want, and they're proposing an unpalatable platform.

 

They don't think they lost last time due to any of those reasons, but because of Russia. Crazy.....

 

I agree with you in general....Bloomberg is the Democrats' best bet to beat Trump at the moment.

 

A minority of Democrats (younger, educated, urban and suburban) turned to Sanders in 2016. They saw Hillary as a less exciting version of Obama who they weren't happy with in the first place. AOC is a less credible version of Warren and Sanders.

Bloomberg has limited appeal, period.

Yang can't win the nomination with Biden and Klobuchar in his way.

Less chance to get the nomination (Biden is in the moderate lane) than to win if she's nominated.

Republicans had better hope Joe is the same undisciplined type who ran for President in the past.

Suggesting you may not have enough objectivity to judge the situation.

 

Warren is a centrist who pretends to be a radical.

 

Not a chance. Many Jewish Americans quite rightly look with considerable alarm at the antisemites Trump attracts and refuses to denounce.

Consider...

"Prior to Democratic Rep. Ilhan Omar's recent comments questioning U.S. support for Israel and the subsequent backlash suggesting that Jewish Americans may be abandoning the party over the issue, roughly half of U.S. Jews identified as Democrat in Gallup polling. Far fewer, 16%, said they were Republican."

"These results come from combined Gallup tracking poll data for 2018, encompassing over 75,000 interviews with U.S. adults, including 938 self-identified Jewish Americans."​

https://news.gallup.com/poll/247757/one-six-jews-identify-republican.aspx

 

My references to 'what liberals think' is based merely on what most of them rant and rave about nearly every time they open their mouths.... All you have to do is read what they write, and listen to what they say... it isn't 'rocket-science'....

Biden is DEAD ... and I suggest that you on the Left toss his carcass off the stage before it starts to stink even worse than it already does.

Klobuchar, Yang, Gabbard, and especially 'deep-pockets' Bloomberg have infinitely more potential to actually win -- precisely because they can make an appealing case to what I call the 'rational middle-class'. Right now, anywhere Joe Biden shows his face (if it isn't a highly-filtered, Democrat-friendly crowd), he's going to be bombarded with jeers and sneers about his cocaine-huffing son, Hunter, and that $50,000/month "job" he had with the Ukrainian energy company, Burisma -- until just this year (what a coincidence!)....

Now... step back for a minute and imagine this ticket -- Michael Bloomberg for president, and Amy Klobuchar for VP. Getting excited yet? Hell, even a rotten, old, Conservative bastard like me would be willing to LISTEN to what they have to say. You'd be surprised at how many people like me are not particularly 'in love' with Donald Trump... but we have supported him strongly because by contrast the radical-Democrats are so illogical, self-righteously doctrinaire, and America-hating in their endless obsession with 'political-correctness'!

 

Are you a lower- or middle-income American who sees her as a poser?

You strike me as an upper-middle or above type who fears Warren will try to take your money--some of it, anyway--and give it to lower-income folks. If you are, why are you seemingly intent about Warren pretending to be "plain folk?"