The boy who cried wolf

No mistake was made we all know how Bill Clinton's nuke deal turned out with North Korea.

 

In unmarked Bill's, on a cargo plane in the middle of the night?

 

Pathetic attempts to change the subject.

The one person Trump's fans do not want to talk about, the person they do not want to defend, is Trump. His fans are pretty much incapable of defending him.

Of course, no one can. That is being proven by Mitch McConnell and the Trump Republicans in the Senate. McConnell's position, a trial in the Senate should not have witnesses. Imagine that. He is trying to defend Trump, and he is forced to look foolish doing it.

 

Defend Trump from what, destroying Obama's legacy?

Obama only ran to Iran after Kerry got slapped in the face over Syria by Putin and Obama's bogus line .

 

You shrieking about Trump at every opportunity for three years in no way obligates any of his supporters to defend him against your rantings.

And are you going to go complaining to the moderators again about me saying you are "shrieking" and "ranting"?

Man up.

 

None of this would be happening (and ISIS would not have controlled Iraqi and Syrian territory) if the moron aka Obama had not pulled out US military, intelligence, and governance personnel (contrary to the advice of all his senior defense, state, and intelligence advisors) out of Iraq in 2011. It all comes back to the greatest foreign policy blunder since Neville Chamberlain appeased Hitler. Obama was either breathtakingly stupid or tragically political - take your pick.

 

The country of Iran is in economic decline. Mass protests rock the world's leading sponsor of terrorism. Trump is doing what Obama could not do. He is destroying the radical islamist theocracy currently controlling the country known as Iran.

 

As all your talking head friends at MSNBC and CNN. They are parroting this absurd comparison for the last several days.

Meanwhile you can acknowledge the foreign policy disaster which Obama created when he pulled out all out military, intelligence, and governance personnel in 2011. None of this would be going on. Iraq would be a constitutional republic with a capitalistic economy just like South Korea, Japan, and western Europe.

 

lame, not comparable at all

 

True, Trump responded quickly and now took out the guy responsible.

 

A now completely debunked liberal talking point that frankly is embarrassing that you would quote. Removing the US from the agreement hasn't demonstrably been the cause, or the lever that is now emboldening the Iranians. So, just to be clear here, there wasn't ever a "permanent" agreement that Iran wouldn't ever get nukes. It is entirely disingenuous of you to suggest that there was, and further, it can now be credibly argued that mr Obama did indeed light the fuse. But sure, don't look at the actual facts, and rely instead on the mouthpieces at MSNBC to produce your material....

 

Exactly. Iran runs Iraq now thanks to Obama. It was no accident that Quds leader General Suleimani was in Iraq and was killed by a US air strike.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...ps-orders-officials-say/ar-BBYz0Zs?li=BBnb7Kz

 

Who is claiming that the trial should not have witnesses ??

 

Well, we got our answer.

CBS News reports:

• President Trump ordered an airstrike in Baghdad that killed Qassem Soleimani, the head of Iran's elite Quds military force and one of the most powerful figures in the Islamic Republic.
  
• The Pentagon said Mr. Trump ordered the "decisive defensive action to protect U.S. personnel," accusing Soleimani of "actively developing plans to attack American diplomats and service members in Iraq and throughout the region."
• Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said Soleimani was killed "in response to imminent threats to American lives."
• The Defense Department blamed Soleimani for the deaths of hundreds of Americans, and said he was behind recent attacks on coalition bases in Iraq, including one on December 27 that killed an American defense contractor.
• The strike drew a vow of "crushing revenge" from Iran.
• Lawmakers are divided over the strike, with Republicans applauding Mr. Trump's action and Democrats warning about the possible repercussions.
• The State Department told Americans in Iraq to leave the country immediately.
• U.S. troops in the region are on high alert.

Will there be a disastrous war with Iran because of Trump's rueful decision to destroy the Iranian nuclear agreement and the resulting harsh sanctions?

 

That statement is ludicrous, and you could not support it with facts.

Trump's fans consistently make false accusations they cannot support. They don't even bother trying.

What is happening now is a direct result of Trump's disastrous decision to destroy the JCPOA, not events that happened seven years ago. Read the OP. Unlike you, I support what I say.

 

Sandy, I thought you said we were going to war with Russia and N. Korea. Do you then support an immediate increase in the military budget to allow for three simultaneous wars?

 

When Obama pulled out Maliki purged the Sunni’s at the direction of Iran. What we see today in the ME is the result of Obama’s actions to bend over in order to claim the immoral victory aka “The Iran Nuclear Deal”.

BTW I’ve supported the immoral actions of Obama leading to the tragedy of the ME after 2011 for years.

 

Who is Trump's speechwriter? Well, he needs a new one.

“We are a peace-loving nation and my administration remains firmly committed to establishing peace and harmony among the nations in the world,” Trump said that right after he ordered the killing of the second most powerful man in Iran, second only to the Ayatollah, sparking certain retaliation from Iran.

Next comes a remarkably presumptuous statement. “We do not seek war, we do not seek nation-building, we do not seek regime change." What laughable remark.

"We took action last night to stop a war. We did not take action to start a war." Good Lord, what an innocuous statement. I wonder if Admiral Yamamoto said that after leading the attack on Pearl Harbor.

Of course, Trump always speaks solely to his base. They lap this stuff up.

 

Yeah, the left is wetting their panties over a terrorist being taken out. Of course only because Orange Man Bad.

 

Trump said that he ordered a precision strike to "terminate" a top Iranian commander who was plotting "imminent and sinister attacks" on Americans.

Americans have a problem with that statement, a few actually.

First, is Trump believable? No, he is not. Americans can no long trust anything he says. As of Dec. 10, his 1,055th day in office, Trump had made 15,413 false or misleading claims, according to the Fact Checker’s database that analyzes, categorizes and tracks every suspect statement he has uttered. It is at the very least up to 16,000 lies by now.

Moreover, Trump gave no details of this plot, and neither did his SecState, Pompeo. The Pentagon simply said that Soleimani was targeted to prevent future atrocities.

No one is asking for sources and methods, but what was the nature of the "imminent and sinister attacks." What was the target, and how imminent? More importantly, how will taking out Soleiman prevent the plot from happening? Aren't there other commanders who can take over the mission? Isn't it possible that the killing of the second most powerful man in Iran will propel that nation to complete the mission?

There are no such details from the Trump administration, only pious statements that we are a peace-loving nation.

Americans ask these questions because this has all happened before. Our great American hero, Trump, stymies a plot we have never heard of and never will or investigates corruption by the President's rival that no one, including Trump, knows anything about.

Or, did Trump just want to change the subject?

 

Are you saying that Iran quietly accepted the harsh sanctions, one of which severely affected their oil shipments? There is a history of the effects of Trump's decision and it isn't pretty. It includes attacks on ships, destruction of an oil refinery, and the shoot down of an American aircraft, and now the current violence in Iraq and the killing of the Quds commander, all stemming from Trump's decision to destroy the Iranian nuclear agreement.

Trump's supporters have a tendency to ignore the truth. There were consequences to Trump's decision, but you prefer to think his decision occurred in a vacuum.

I said that as a member of the JCPOA Iran was permanently barred from making a nuke. Thanks to Trump, that is no long true. She has expanded the quantity and quality of uranium enrichment.

 

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Who again do you support Sandy? It was biden a few weeks ago but now he has been shown to be a pedophile, who do you have in mind?

 

You have no idea of what the JCPOA actually says.

 

Thanks to Trump and his rueful decision back in May of 2018 there will be war with Iran, but not the kind one might think. Not a simple war. Iranian ships are not going to attack American ships in the Strait of Hormuz. The Persians are not suicidal, and they are not stupid.

It will be a complex, asymmetric war in which Iran will rely on her proxy forces, not her military. It may even involve cyber warfare, but Iran will retaliate. That is a certainty.

The problem is where, and who will be the targets, Americans or America's allies or both? Will it be the Houthi rebels in Yemen attacking our troops in Saudi Arabia or attacking the Saudi oil fields. The Houthis have done that in the past ... successfully.

Will it be Hamas attacking our interests and that of our Israeli allies on the West Bank?

Will it be Hezbollah attacking simultaneously in northern Israel or Israeli interests in Lebanon?

Will Iran's ally, the murderous dictator, Bashar al-Assad, take part in Iran's war with his army?

As if we haven't had enough problems in Iraq since 2003, then there are the Shiite militias. Tehran hosted and supported a number of powerful Shiite militias that were opposed to Saddam Hussein’s despotic rule. After he was ousted following the American invasion of Iraq in 2003, many of those militias were marshaled to fight U.S. troops.

Those same militia groups now have unprecedented political power in Iraq, with many senior figures winning seats in the country’s parliament. Their presence has given Iran additional influence over Iraq’s political landscape.

In this asymmetric war the U.S. will have a major problem with Iraq.

Some wonder if Trump and his fellow geniuses thought about all this when they decided to take out the Iranian general. Wouldn't it have been much simpler for Trump to admit he was wrong, reenter negotiations with Iran, restore the JCPOA, and remove the harsh sanctions that caused this mess.