Trump, Pence, Pompeo Lied About Soleimani

Everybody knows this was some guys Youtube video.

We should throw that guy in jail and go on TV and let everyone know that's what happened.

 

Regardless of what you may have been told, General Soleimani played no role whatsoever in any domestic security issues in Iran. His portfolio was all about Iranian (and the axis of resistance) forces outside of Iran.

 

Objectively, Iran's theocracy has no right to existence. It is an immoral, brutal tyranny that any free nation has the right to nuke into glass. That's objective, that's reality, that's true, and everything else is bullsht and evasion.

 

Does Israel have a right to exist then? And if you want to limit things to theocracies, does the UK (yes, it's a theocracy even if it doesn't act the part) or Vatican have a right to exist simply for being a theocracy? And if your argument is more along the lines of what the Iranian government has done (in which case being a theocracy is irrelevant) then NO major power has a right to exist by your logic becuase we've all done ****ed up ****.

It's not evasion, your argument just has no logical foundation.

 

Israel is not a theocracy, it is a secluar nation with freedom of thought.

"Generally, Israel is not a theocracy because the majority of citizens are secular, public law is not determined by religious figures (but by secular courts), and religion is generally not the guiding principle of governance (see Basic Laws of Israel).

It is interesting that while many public laws (such as not selling bread on Passover) are supposed to be “religion inspired”, the reality is that these laws have been interpreted (by a judge who is herself religious) in the most secular sense possible. This means that the religous component of the law takes a back burner to the democratic and secular interests of the state and her citizens. For more information on this specific case see Ruling: Stores allowed to sell bread on Passover

However, in the personal sphere, religion does control things like marriage, publicly funded burial and divorce, and this is true for the major religions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) who run their own religous courts. The interplay between religous courts and the secular ones is complex, but in almost all cases the “higher authority” of appeal will be a secular court (such as the Supreme Court)."--https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Israel-not-a-theocracy

Are you suggesting that the Vatican has political power? A government's gun to enforce their view? That they can break into an unmarried couple's home and crucify them? Are you suggesting that the Church of England has the political power to throw homosexuals off the tops of buildings? Are you suggesting that the Church of England can have you imprisoned, tortured, chained, and murdered for blasphemy? If you are, you need to think a little bit deeper.

If you can see no difference between Israel, the Vatican, England, and their political opposites, Iran and Saudi Arabia, then it's because you are blinded by your own fears and prejudices.

 

and mine was to your specific point.

 

You're quoting commentaries from the Atlantic which is a propaganda arm of Nato, and giving me their conclusions and/or your conclusions of what Soleimani is and what he was doing and trying to impress them into my mind.

Anyway it doesn't matter what you think about him, but it does matter what Trump and Pompao think about him since the act they committed was treacherous, and it was towards a sovereign nation and towards a person on a diplomatic mission. But more so, it matters what the Iranian people and the Shia's think about it, since their reaction will affect everyone.

One should never judge a tree by its stature,
nor the power of the name it wears.
One's judgement should only come,
through the merits of the fruit it bears - Jeannette

(my version of the Bible verse)

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Fine but if that's your threshold for nuking a nation, goodby America with its concentration camps and border death squads. Goodby Russia for doing the exact same **** (and more) you're accusing Iran of. And China... China makes Germany at the height of the Holocaust look civilized.

 

And this is the fruit that the tree of totalitarian Islam bears:






I said the Iranian tree's fruit is rotten to the core.

 

You know, it's foolish to engage fools. Consider yourself disengaged, foolish one. If you can't see the difference, you may one day learn on the skin of your back.

 

By ASSOCIATED PRESS
SEP. 7, 2016
6:30 AM
Reporting from Washington —

The Obama administration is acknowledging its transfer of $1.7 billion to Iran earlier this year was made entirely in cash, using non-U.S. currency, as Republican critics of the transaction continued to denounce the payments.

No, Obama didn’t go. He just sent the cash to Iran on pallets.

 

Iran backed militia staged a mortar attack against the US occupied Green Zone in Iraq. The next day, the US attacked the stronghold of this militia group in Northern Iraq. After that, an Iranian backed group invaded the US Embassy in Iraq. The General in Question was killed at the Bagdad Airport. He wasn't waiting to catch a flight. He was operating from there. Add all this together, and you get an Iranian movement against the US forces in Iraq. I know. Iran claimed they were not behind the rocket attack and taking over the US Embassy. But if you remember, they also claimed that they were not responsible for the drone attacks at the Saudi Arabian oil field. They then admitted that they were the ones that carried out the attacks.

The fact is that Iran is looking to start a war against the US, Saudi Arabia and Israel. You would think that is a fools mission, but you also have to look at who the Iranians have been involved in joint military operations with. The Chinese and Russians.

What would the objective be for each player? Iran would gain the Shia predominant Southern Iraq. Syria would get the Shia predominant Northern Iraq. By tying the US up in another major war in the Middle East, they Chinese would be able to go after Taiwan, Islands that that belong to Japan that they have tried to claim for years, and push their claim to the whole South China Sea. Russia would be free to go after Ukraine and Georgia. They need these countries to regain control of the pipelines going to Eastern Europe and Turkey. If Turkey threw into the mix, they could carve out a section of Iraq for a Kurdish homeland, and move them out of Turkey. It could also be a stepping off point to form a Shia version of Levant.

In order for this to play out, Iran would have to drive a wedge between the US and Iraq. That seems to be working. Next they would draw them into a coalition with Iran, Russia and China. The next play will be Iran's. It should come within the next few weeks.

 

Funny how nothing in your post demonstrates the claims made are false, or the person who made them knew they were false.
Feel free to try again.

 

I was referring to the 'fruit' of Trump's action, and what it will lead to, but since you're switching it to Iran, or rather 'your' judgement of Iran, then how about I switch it to Netanyahu and his fruit. How many years has he been in, and yet Israel still isn't at peace with its neighbors.

This doesn't mean that the Palestinians should move en masse to Israel, nor that Jerusalem should become Palestinian, but aren't there means to get the Palestinians to think more highly of Israel and to desire peace and to want better relations?

Wouldn't this be the more 'reasonable' and logical thing to do, rather than following one's passions and over reacting. .

 

Either you have a reading comprehension problem, or you assume other do and that they will simply accept what you're saying.

 

The Palestinian State is a straw man issue, the real issue is liberty (freedom of thought—Israel) vs tyranny (Islamic Totalitarianism—Iran). The same is true of the sins and regrets of Netanyahu.

 

Not in the slightest.
You did not in any way demonstrate the claims to be false, and you did not in any way demonstrate the people knew they were false.

To wit:
Pompeo bases this on the Bethlehem Doctrine of Pre-Emptive Self Defence, which is also the basis of all our drone attacks and killings.
Demonstrate this to be true.

And then:
Yet Iran is Shia, and 90% of Americans killed including and since 9/11, have been killed by Sunni Muslims
Demonstrate how this disproves Trump's claim

Lastly:
Yet no matter how hard Bush tried to link 911 to Iraq or Iran so as to take the heat off their pals the Saudi's failed.
Demonstrate how this proves Pence's claim to be false.

Be sure to cite your sources and quote the text from same.

 

No it isn't the same

 

Cut the nonsense. It doesn’t matter how many black presidents there are; the people who have the money (and thus power) in America are Anglo-Saxons and their Jewish allies. Unless of course you want to argue now that blacks and Mexicans control 99% of the wealth in the US!

 

An American like me will think it is nonsensical for a senior politician to be called a liar for repeating information developed by their intelligence community.

 

It should have been obvious to Iran, and everyone else, that Trump is probably the most dangerous president since Jackson.
Iran should have stayed under Trump's radar. Now it should replace its intelligence "wizards" fast before compounding the damage from this blunder..

 

BREAKING NEWS:

General Soleimani was on a peace mission between Iran and Saudi Arabia that had been brokered by Iraq. The Saudi Prince was worried about his relations with the US and wanted to better his relations with Iran. According to the Iraqi PM, Soleimani was to meet him that morning with a message from the head of Iran that he had accepted the Saudi condition for peace between the two countries. This was not something that Israel could accept so Netanyahu called President Trump and the rest is history.

The broadcaster who stated it was cut off immediately from the air, and I won't mention where my information came from since he fears he will be cut off as well.

I know that Netanyahu was preparing for a war with Iran at the end of December, so was it because of the peace agreement? Could this have been a last ditch effort by Trump to stop Israel from attacking Iran? Maybe?

 

^^^
Proof that some people will believe anything that confirms their world view.

 

First off, I don't believe the diplomacy story at all, it's an after the fact twist to show the Iranians in a sympathetic light. Given that it was true, the treaty is still open for SA and Iran, SA didn't kill the bastard, we did. If Bibi wants to attack Iran, why would we stop him?