Govt watchdog says White House violated law by withholding Ukraine aid

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  1. MrTLegal

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    Trump got impeached because he abused the power of his office and because he obstructed congress. The fact that he also violated the law when he abused the power of his office is a bonus.
     
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    Meh... the GAO claimed Obama broke the law on multiple occasions. No one cared.
     
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    Again, you have zero proof that he withheld the money for any reason beyond pursuing official US policy and absolutely no proof that it was related to the investigation of Burisma Oil.
     
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    Oh yea, folks definitely cared then.

    But they care now because it is directly related to the articles of impeachment that were literally sent over to the Senate this week.
     
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    No, that's a joke. I can't believe you all fell for that garbage. That's not why he got Impeached, unless you run in Lefty Circles. He got Impeached because Hillary Lost. They started on it before he ever was sworn in.
     
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    Hahaha...the old "two wrongs make a right" argument. Obama isn't being tried on impeachment. Trump is.
     
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    As late as mid-September of 2019, almost no one believed that Trump would be impeached in his first term.
     
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    Was Obama impeached over a GAO appropriations violation, I heard in all there were seven during his administration and three during Bush43. And OMB disagress with GAO over this specific assertion of a violation, it is only an assertion.

    I'd like to see it go to you court and have the entire act adjudicate on constitutional grounds when foreign policy is involved. Until then mountain/mole hill.
     
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    Perhaps it will. You seem to think that the President has the sole power to determine foreign policy? I would say he does have more leeway in foreign policy, for practical reasons - i.e. it's hard to deal with foreign governments with 100 Senators. But, that's why the Constitution gives the Senate the advise and consent power and oversight powers. Nixon tried the "foreign policy ploy." Didn't work...and he resigned just ahead of being impeached and removed from office. I believe the House, during the Obama administration, was controlled from 2010 until 2018 by Republicans. The fact that the Republican House majority didn't initiate impeachment proceedings is not the fault of the minority Democrats. Why don't you ask John Boehner or Paul Ryan why they didn't initiate impeachment proceedings against Obama? Maybe they were actually "secret Democrats?"
    And, why the Hamilton quote? Hamilton was a Federalist, who bordered on being a Tory.
     
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    There's a video of him admitting it. Seriously? Have you not seen the video? Here you go.



    Here are some other links that may help educate you.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...e35be9-4f5a-4048-8520-0baabb18ab63_story.html

    https://thefederalist.com/2019/11/0...aged-hunter-biden-to-get-state-dept-meetings/

    https://thehill.com/opinion/campaig...-memos-cast-doubt-on-joe-bidens-ukraine-story

    Now you know what a scumbag Joe Biden really is. So please don't look foolish and try to defend his corruption.
     
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    You Leftists and your beliefs. You know so much that just isn't true. It's staggering sometimes to converse with you all in your alternate reality that DailyKos / CNN built for you.
     
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    Your opinion only, to be decided by the Senate. If 7 of 8 impeachment managers didn't want impeachment (for political purposes) long before this non-event you might have a point.
     
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    Ambassador Yanovitch claimed she never heard of this video, making her either a liar or stupid.
     
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    She's a total liar. She had so many physical tells in her testimony that just outed her as a partisan. It was ridiculous to even see her in the chair.
     
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    As recently as mid-September of 2019, almost no one believed that Trump would be impeached in his first term.

    PredictIt.com is my support for that assertion. Those are people who are willing to place their own money on the line to predict future political events.
     
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    At no point in that video - or anywhere - do you have Biden linking the firing of Shotkin to the investigation of Burisma Oil.
     
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    Biden was following the administration's policy as well as most of Western Europe's and the international organizations who favored Ukrainian membership in the EU and NATO, IF they cleaned up their act and rid themselves of the pro-Russian/pro-Putin corrupt Ukrainian officials and oligarchs. All of this goes to the political battles within the Ukraine itself...the pro-West factions versus the pro-Russian factions. Giuliani and Trump are on the pro-Russian side. It's like Pelosi said...with Trump all roads lead to Putin...and that's what makes him a threat to our national security.
    Oh yeah...and while Biden was threatening to withhold aid, he never did.
     
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    The Constitution assigns plenary power to the President in foreign policy.

    It's a quote for the times and his fear impeachment would be used by one party against a president over policy matters.
     
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    He threatened to withhold appropriated aid.......period.
     
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    He was impeached for committing felonies in a FEDERAL COURT where he obstructed JUSTICE.
     
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    Trump is on the Pro-Russian side? That's why he gave them anti-tank missiles. That's why he went against the German-Russian gas deal. That's why he had hundreds of Russian Mercenaries hit in Syria. That's why he put harsh sanctions on Russia.

    Biden got caught straight up by his own words and so many of you leftists act like nothing happened. Hunter Biden - $50K a month. That's all anyone needs to know.
     
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    Congress is SUPPOSED to go to the JUDICIARY to deal with Presidents that do not want to testify, or have their staff testify. The Judiciary decides. You should know that.
     
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    Just where in the Constitution do you think this "plenary power" is specified?
     
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    What were the “lies”?
     
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    Neither one of those are law. Abuse of Power is an opinion and Obstruction is baseless because the House was too lazy to go to court to settle the matter.
     
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