Educated vs "Non-Educated"

Wow. I'm impressed.

I'll have to give your posts a second look.

 

On the contrary, it says nothing at all about your intelligence. ALL it points to, when not related to the job in question, is your ability to stick it out. See a project through to completion, as it were. That is still very useful.

 

They’re educational and worth studying.

 

And if they no longer serve your purpose....throw em under the bus. The rest of the herd will cheer you on.

 

Bingo!

 

I have run into a few engineers who build race cars on the side.

The automobile is an engineering marvel. Most children who grow up wanting to be an engineer, dream of designing cars, among other things. The workings of carburetors, fuel injection systems, the operation of valves, springs and lifters, the transfers of reciprocal motion to rotary motion, the vast array of gears...

Even without specific knowledge of a particular vehicle, an engineer, with his trouble shooting skills should be able to easily find the location of a fault within an automobile. And have the mechanical aptitude to fix it. However, the desire to dirty one’s hands may be a different matter.

 

No it isn't. Not even remotely.

Social programs are paid services funded by the profits of capitalism.

 

This is why I think that social support programs like education, nutritional support, housing assistance, mass transit, environmental controls, and universal healthcare are so important. Those who run corporations really don’t care about their employees, just what they can squeeze out of them.

Productivity is money in money out. The less they pay on employees, the higher the productivity and the higher the profits.

Whenever I have applied for jobs, I looked at the parking lot. If there were a few really nice cars, but the rest were kind of run down, that was a company I would hesitate to work for. At companies where the employee parking lot was full of late model cars, I would be interested.

 

Is not socialism where the government owns the means of production? The United States is not like that.

In Norway the government owns controlling stock in many companies and industries. They use the profit from the companies to fund things, rather than taxes, and have a say on the boards of enough companies that regulation is achieved at that level, rather than through regulations. China is similarly organized.

 

civilized countries do take care of the unfortunate and I really don't have a great problem with what we do for those who can't find work or do work, at least where there is expanded medicaid as opposed to scumbag red States. The problem these days is the people who are working get screwed over. Did you hear about the Union struggle to get benefits with work and a living wage for that matter? The Incredible struggle they went through and the greatest generations struggle in the depression and world war II that showed them that it's more important to help each other them to be *******s? Well the brainwash is giving all that away because free stuff is so horrible. Only the brainwash makes you people so misinformed.

 

No communism is a society where the government owns all business and industry and it has to be a dictatorship for that to happen and it's never been put in without a revolution violent revolution. Socialism is always Democratic Fair capitalism with a good safety net. You are totally misinformed as always. Thanks GOP.

Every other modern country is socialist. And we will be socialist too and we get an actual healthcare system. How about a mental health system, what a concept? But no with the GOP we have no mental health system, 25% of the population is mentally ill, we have the crappiest jobs in the modern world oh, and we have more guns than the rest of the world combined. Great job NRA GOP brainwash idiocy.... Actual benefits and civilization? Not bloody likely under crappie unbelievably obstructive inhumane scumbag brainwashing. Congratulations.

 

Yup. And people did it. Because there was no other work... it was the fortunes of those people that built, and in at least one case saved this country.. they provided the opportunities we have today..

Our history isn't perfect. But it's better than most if not all..

Though it's primarily a romance. I strongly recommend watching the North and South. It's an english story amid labor and industry struggles in a textile community.

Labor vs employees. Is a two way street.

 

Most colleges, like high schools tend to have rivals. Yale and Harvard are rivals and have been going back a couple of hundred years. Yale alumni tend to taunt Harvard alumni and vis a versa.

 

Yes some necessities like healthcare and energy tend to be socialized in a socialist society. But when you go overboard to the point that you have to have a revolution to put in a system where the government owns all business and industrial and democracy is out the window oh, that is communism and no one basically is for that unless there is a gun to their head.the Soviet system was supposedly socialist but after a while everyone figured out that the Soviets or committees were not Democratic at all.

 

According to Wikipedia

Communism also include individual personal ownership. That is the state even owns each individual’s personal property. In a communist state, the state owns your home, in a socialist state, you can own your own home.

It seems to me that the US is more of a democracy with social programs than a socialist state. I am a big proponent of wide ranging social programs. Education, food and rent assistance, and universal health care. I am also open to a nationalized electrical generation and transmission system.

 

Yes, and you can get a BA or BS in physics.

I doubt many of those with physics degrees are actually doing physics with a 4 year degree unless they are in graduate school. But, a physics degree of any kind is sure to prepare one for significant employment opportunities.

I'm mostly dispelling the idea that one needs a degree where the job title and the degree title match. And from what I've seen, those with liberal arts degrees have a broader educational expeience, which I believe is important.

 

Yes we do believe in liberal arts being important like every intelligent country in history has. Who doesn't care about liberal arts? Communists Nazis fascists and I'm afraid the GOP. If you don't know history you are doomed to repeat it and the GOP is damn close right now. All the phony scandals misinformation character assassination thuggery..... Whatever you do don't change the channel from the propaganda machine! Are you afraid to tell us what country you are in LOL? I live in Wyoming county New York. 73% Trump 73% totally misinformed, More cows than people. Where are you where you have this preparation for doctor from the age of five or what. I can tell you also I went to Hobart college and it was in the last year that they had something called Western civ freshman year where you learned all about history philosophy sociology whatever about the history of man. Plato Socrates Hegel Pope and the history. A great thing to know and makes you safe from garbage propaganda. If you want to ignore all that and only listen to Rush Limbaugh we're all in trouble. If you believe Nazism is socialism you're on that boat.

 

my elementary education was paid for as Oliver said by the state and federal government renting lands, in my case selling timber right within the country, the state has now sold the lands to timber companies and the feds blocked timber sales on national forest land. I don't know how that school is funded now, probably ever increasing property taxes.

 

Yup - fully agree. Notice how the social sciences receive lower status treatment - even when one is "Educated" - and I have met many very stupid educated people - two "Nuclear Physicists" - who I know personally through close friends - have associated with - even went to the same church as one of them in my youth - both profs now - one for sure I know has done stuff at the particle accelerators in France and other places in the world.

Idiots - Seriously. If you are talking smashing particles together - they are a hoot - talk anything else and they are not so smart - politics - and of course complete social morons .. and in some cases holding some pretty extreme and untenable positions.

Just because you can to wave equations -(which I have done) doesn't mean you are good at logic and rational thought...

So another close friend - has a PH.D in Psychology - and he is the one who introduced me to one of them. Over coffee the Physics guy would put Social Sciences down - half joking but - a little too often. My friend never said much- no big deal. One day -this came up again - and I had heard it too many times .. so I said .. this is in the group - you smash particles around - which is cool - and has some potential to benefit humanity - People in the social sciences/ humanities - and I will include Philosophy in this group - spend every day trying to help humanity.

The guy would not acknowledge me ever since.

Some are good with their hands .. some are good inventors .. some good at math .. others at science .. some understand people - like Trump for example - some at art - some at language - some with short term photographic memory (those that can get through college by regurgitating short term memorization but did not get the concepts) - some at art - some at language - some at war and tactics - some at Chess (such as myself ) - We all have different gifts .. unfortunately society does not give enough credit to the science of making the world a better place - which is what the social sciences attempt to do.

Those that understand people tend to rise up in management quickly - even though they are not particularly talented in the subject matter.

One thing though - that is generally true - is that if one is really good in one area - they will be really bad to an equal degree in some of the other areas of intelligence.

 

and I am not attacking you I am attacking your political beliefs which are misinformed by the GOP propaganda machine. The French are protesting a change where their pensions would start a couple of years later. Americans don't do that in fact they don't have pensions they are totally screwed over no health Care daycare paid parental leave great infrastructure and vacations cheap college and training and no fair society compared with every other modern country. Thanks GOP

 

That's weird. Do you have a link to timber companies paying for schools? Sounds like they were paying property taxes LOL.

 

As I was saying everyone should take some liberal arts history sociology literature before they become doctors physicists and engineers etc etc. And they should have some of that in high school. Conservatives have done away with that stuff as much as possible. Dumb and dumber is what they like.

 

What country are you talkin about for crying out loud? You don't have liberal arts there you're not doing very well then.

 

And if he didn't take any liberal arts he is prone to propaganda. Thank you very much

 

No, I see NO evidence whatsoever that education is slowing people from thinking. It can't actually accomplish that.

I don't know where you live, so I can't comment on that.. In the US, most lawyers did NOT take law as an undergraduate. The same is true for medicine. There are many undergraduate degrees (4 year degrees) that lead to successful application to med school or to law school. For those interested in law careers, undergraduate law is not even what is suggested.

I agree with there being a serious need for vocational programs as well as continuing education in all fields. You may still be able to find Hillary Clinton's proposal on that. She saw this as critical.

In STEM fields I don't believe all courses qualify as "vocational" on the grounds that they may lead to being a stronger employment candidate, but not necessarily in the field of the course being taken.

For example, maybe you design software and don't fully understand database systems. So, you take some courses related to organized data - theory or specific methodologies. That could be important regardless of whether one even uses or interfaces with a database. The principles have to do with data. Everything in STEM is based on data.

There are many reasons for taking courses that are not directly tied to what you do on the job. One big one is that long before you retire your job may not even exist