WATCH LIVE | Impeachment trial of President Trump continues in Senate (Day 2)

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  1. grapeape

    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And the POTUS can claim Executive Privilege. So they charged him with abuse and obstruction. Which he absolutely did.

    <sarcasm> and as we all know, innocent people obstruct...</sarcasm>
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    WTF are you talking about. They followed process to a T
     
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    I don't like the way impeachment is handled. I didn't like it when Bill Clinton was impeached and I don't like it now. I didn't write the Constitution though and for the most part, I think that document needs to be protected at all costs, not warped and bent like I perceive the Democrats want to do. I think Impeachment should only count if a sitting President is found to have broken laws, impeached in the House, Senate and then by the SCOTUS who should actually oversee the proceeding. In other words, when the House puts together a case, it should be the SCOTUS that decides if this moves forward with enough evidence to warrant charges and a vote. Not just a majority in the House/Senate. Especially the way it is being "weaponized" by Democrats right now. It's very dangerous.

    But like I said, I didn't write the Constitution.

    As far as the underlined and bolded portion: I disagree. I see America moving into two distinct camps and it is happening specifically because the Democrats are moving Americans into this direction. I see them using the "divide and conquer" method. It has been attempted and has been going on for some time but the Presidential reign of Obama moved us into a place we haven't seen in a long time. In fact, I don't think you can find pure Republicans or Conservatives because things have become more and more muddled. What I do see is Republicans being Constitutionals and Capitalists while Democrats and far left progressives rejecting these ideals and thus rejecting the Constitution. It no longer serves their ideals or beliefs.

    Look at Bernie and his "army" of followers. Marxists, socialists and those that reject Capitalism and embrace Marxist and socialist ideals. He has a solid base to draw from and they include the likes of Communists and anarchists. I don't see any Conservatives embracing those ideals. I do see Democrats and moderates moving into the Republican camp though.
     
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    No, they don't. Adam Schiff stood in front of America and told lie after lie to get Trump impeached.

    All you need is a partisan group and a majority and you can make up anything you want and impeach a President. If Democrats owned the Senate and had the votes, Trump would have been removed from office with nothing but flimsy lies.
     
  5. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What if’s are stupid.
     
  6. MrTLegal

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    The inability to even identity hypothetical evidence that you would consider proof is also stupid.
     
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    They never used the court.
     
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    They avoided using the court.
     
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    Still avoiding the obvious eh?
     
  10. MrTLegal

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    The House is currently awaiting a decision from the Appellate Court right now.
     
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    I am addressing the obvious explicitly. You have no ability to identify hypothetical examples that would satisfy your demands for proof.
     
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    Never subpoenaed Bolton and pulled Kupperman’s.
     
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    The decision from the Appellate Court is controlling over Bolton and Kupperman.
     
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    So...you seem to be arguing that the Constitution is wrong, but it should be upheld. Have you read the part about the House having the "sole power of impeachment," and that the Senate has the "sole power of trying impeachment?"
     
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    *LOL*

    As the body with the "sole power" to impeach, they are not obligated to scamper off to federal court to force compliance with a mandated process. If the "presuhdint" won't comply with his obligation to cooperate with the body having "sole power" of impeachment, then he has obstructed Congress, and the House is entitled to infer that the evidence that it does have weighs in favor of impeachment.

    It's very simple, and you're ridiculously way off base..
     
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    It's really weird that a person is incapable of hypothetical thought as a rhetorical device.
     
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    You apparently are not aware of the separation of powers and these differences are decided by the Judiciary.
     
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    You should really stop the whole "You apparently are not aware" line. It is as tired and non-sensical as the "zero proof" line you keep repeating.
     
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    Stating the obvious. The dem clown show now wants the Senate to do what they refused to do, subpoena witnesses.
     
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    Wrong? Not at all. Merely an opinion which I am sure you have one as well. I don't like impeachment, period. Doesn't mean it's wrong.
     
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    I will let a lawyer explain it to you.

     
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    Using a quote from Janet Reno was brilliant and it exposes the 1001 posts complaining about Trump saying "absolute immunity" as just that.. complaining. No legal knowledge whatsoever.
     
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    As a co-equal branch they are. We don't have an Imperial Senate and Congress is not above the law or constitution. There is a process for this and the Democrats have turned it upside down in their zeal to impeach a duly elected President. The House is where any evidence for their impeachment should have been sought and vetted and then either included or not. They choose not to pursue the evidence they are now fighting over. They said there impeachment did not require it the the evidence they presented was beyond debate, overwhelming, convincing, irrefutable and a host of other such discriptives on how solid was their case.

    Then bring it on and present it and put it to a vote.
     
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    Does that include you incessant specious ranting about the word "absolute"?
     

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