Dad Confronts Warren On Student Loan Forgiveness: ‘Can I Have My Money Back?’

Trump has about a 5th grade reading level from what we see in his tweets

no one is suggesting people that can't read attend college

they can't read cause of republicans "no child left behind" - which means drag them along even if they can't read

 

I said "trickle up works better, when the people have money to spend, businesses create jobs to get that money"

you said "And how does spending that money help the person trying to escape poverty?"

how does more jobs created help the poor? how does the middle class having more money and more jobs help the middle class? seems obvious to me how this helps society

seems you think the poor having more money hurts them, but the rich having more money helps the poor? that is not logical....

 

No, it doesn't. Not beyond the 60 seconds during which that money is handed to you. Poverty is a function of what you do with that money, not the money itself. Obviously.

 

The illiteracy level has been rising since the 1970’s. The overwhelmingly bipartisan “left behind” didn’t fix it. More money will.

 

Because they think we're all exactly the same (and in fact demand that we are, in so thinking), and all just waiting for that lucky break. They believe all will succeed (and in fact demand that all succeed, in so believing) once that lucky break arrives. They believe we have no agency, and do not make free choices. They believe that all an individual's experiences are a result of external forces, the individual just a hollow automaton, with no volition.

 

Because none of what you have put forward allows for human nature. It's just more of the 'poor people are waiting for a lucky break' fantasy.

You can create zillions of jobs and hand out cash willy nilly - and a significant proportion of unemployed poor people will remain unemployed and poor. We have lost our edge, Dear. We no longer remember what it feels like to starve. In fact, we're so far beyond that memory that we're prepared to kill ourselves by eating too much, while children die of starvation in the dirt. Game over.

 

Yes, a shocker. What with targetting the wrong people (as they always do, because they're fatuous idiots) and all.

 

And this is the issue we see across the board unfortunately, because they didn’t personally benefit then no one else should either. It always amuses me (not in the good way) to hear an older person scream about “socialism” even though they had 90% tax rates and some of the most generous social programs in American history as part of the new deal — now they have social security as well as Medicare — not to mention they lived in a time that could easily support a family of four on a single income.

But this is the MAGA they speak of, MAGA is some fictional time where everyone was 100% independent and prosperous (except the groups they don’t like — they knew their place and to not speak up)

 

Because those locations only allow us the opportunity to protect countries who are unwilling to help themselves.

I dont believe it is our responsibilty to police the world, or engage in strategic positioning in order to force compliance by our adversaries.

In my opinion, there is no good reason we are still South Korea. That isnt or responsibilty, and the cost of policing the world doesn't have a return on investment that's with it.

Same with all our other bases.

How many countries have bases in the United States to help protect us?

 

OK then let them all declare bankruptcy we already have that in place? And bankruptcy doesn't always eliminate a debt but reschedules it. Do you not understand the fundamental difference between a bankruptcy and a personal loan paid off by the government?

What is higher on the totem pole, your home your housing or secondary education? Why can't we make the same argument about people who get too much debt on their house, should the government payoff those loans for them?
Joe the plumber didn't go to college he went through an apprenticeship program and also worked a second job to help pay bills and then got his license and now 4 years later makes $60,000 a year.
Bill went to college and got a degree in computer science and ran up $40,000 in student debt. He gets his first job and is making $71,000 a year (https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandto...starting-salary-for-recent-college-grads.aspx0

Why should Joe pay for Bill's loans. Bill could live that $60,000 life style for less than four years and with increases pay off the student debt. Or work that second job like Bill did and pay it off faster.

 

Nobody paid effective tax of anywhere near 90%.

 

Thankfully Trump is turning that around.

We are the strongest nation in the free world, keeping the rest of that world free is in our nationals security and economic security. Since before our founding the free and secure use of international waterways and now airspaces has been a critical component of foreign policy of the free world.

Of course there are good reasons it gives us a base of operation in case our advisories attempt to take control militarily of that region.

We don't need them and I prefer they not be here, I like being the big dog on the block.

 

Also. Supporting a family of 4 on a single income a 1,300 square foot post war house, 1 pre-owned car, and a single television set. Maybe a party line phone.


People can't still afford to support a family of 4 on a single average income, but you better get used to living substantially more frugal.

I don't understand why Millenials have all convinced each other that there generation has it so much worse than previous generations. They absolutely don't. It's just one big pity party driving political ideology.

 

If you compare effective tax rates historically there has been very little variance. People forget how complicated tax returns were back during those times because of all the deductions and credits and expensing etc etc etc.

 

I still don't understand why it's our responsibilty.

We're didn't have bases in Europe when Hitler was breezing across France.

And we still kicked their ass, because we allowed our military to actually fight to win.

Now, we think we're the police and tie the troops hands behind their back.

Why can't South Korea build a military that doesn't need our assistance to maintain the DMZ?

 

Cost of living, cost of education, cost of housing, cost of healthcare and so on have all risen substantially quicker than inflation and wage increases. It is naive to ignore these metrics.

Millennials are the first generation that are doing worse than generations prior to them. Homeownership rates and debt loads should be a huge concern to everyone that cares about the future prosperity of the nation.
It is ignorant to label fact as throwing a “pity party”.

 

Please highlight where I mentioned EMTR?

 

It's in our own national interest and personally I would rather not have another such war as WW2. SK cannot build a military that could withstand the Chinese military and if WE get in a war of territorial waters SK would be key to that war. If we announce tomorrow that we were pulling out all military assets and closing all bases and would not engage our fleet in the Western Pacific what do you think the Chinese response would be? Even Russia.

 

Millennials have one of the best economies in the history of the country and the highest standard of living ever. When people are doing better they use more credit.

 

Think how alike everyone would think and behave after four more years of professors telling them they are special, the man is keeping them down, and redistribution is the answer.

 

We have low unemployment but wages are largely stagnant.
That does not equate to being one of the “best economies in the history of the country”. What metric are you using to arrive at this conclusion that would directly impact younger middle class Americans?

Debt load is not just credit — for millennials the largest burden is student loans that they cannot even use our bankruptcy laws to escape from.

 

There is zero sense in talking about anything but the effective rate.

You said:

It always amuses me (not in the good way) to hear an older person scream about “socialism” even though they had 90% tax rates and some of the most generous social programs in American history as part of the new deal...


So it amuses you that they oppose socialism and the absurd taxes that come with it... even though that isnt what they actually paid, and so they should just go along with the socialist taxes?

Your arguments aren't even making sense.

 

Let’s take it slow since you are having difficulties.
Was the top EMTR — since you have laser focused on this specific metric in attempt to ignore the others — substantially higher on the wealthy than it is today? Yes or no?

Furthermore almost no one is advocating “socialism” and most socialist first world nations pay close to what we pay in taxes yet they receive a tremendous amount more. But they don’t have the largest most bloated military on the face of the planet either.

 

Do you really believe that the "20%" coming out of high school who are illiterate are the ones who will, or even want to, go to college?

And, so far as I know, no candidate is advocating for the elimination of college entrance exams which would weed them out anyway.

 

How you going to know who to vote for if you don’t know where candidates stand on issues?

Here’s Joe Biden.
“We need to commit to 16 years of free public education for all our children,” Biden told reporters at the White House in 2015. “We all know that 12 years of public education is not enough. As a nation let’s make the same commitment to a college education today that we made to a high school education 100 years ago.”

Tell me, would you lower entrance exam minimums or.....just eliminate them if Biden gets to decide this policy? What kind of entrance exam do you take to get into high school ?

Besides, why on earth do you think colleges wouldn’t lower entrance requirements anyway? You would have to be a complete moron to not lower standards to get more students with guaranteed tuition paid. You think colleges are all just big philanthropic institutions?

Lastly, if you cared about education and thought throwing money around would help, spend it on the poor schmuks that leave high school illiterate and end up incarcerated. Fixing that problem would pay bigger dividends than further bloating the already saturated degreed job market.