Can the US taxpayer afford a Trump Presidency?

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  1. bx4

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    The very obvious other option is for to him to forswear self-dealing. For him to say that, while he is in office, the federal government is prohibited from doing business with any Trump businesses. Of course he could stay at his own properties, just not charge for using them.

    That would be the ethical thing to do. That would be what any other federal employee would have to do. But you give him a pass on his self-dealing.
     
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    Spim Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so were back to square one with this conversation.

    should they sleep in a tent?
     
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    Are we? How about he vacation at a resort he doesn't own? How about he take a loss on the rooms that WE'RE paying for that are housing the SS? Lots of options here in which trump is not directly profiting from tax payer dollars.
     
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    No - he should not use his own businesses.

    Any other federal employee would be in prison for doing what he does. Why do you think it is OK for Trump to do something that would land every other federal employee in prison?
     
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    it's an expensive resort. I cant afford it, but its cheaper than the breakers, I cant even afford lunch there!
     
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    He can vacation wherever the hell he wants. hes the president.

    if he stays at the Hilton then somebody's profiting.

    if he stays at the breakers then someone is profiting.

    money will be spent no matter what, it's a simple fact.

    deal with it.

    the prices are not that expensive by comparison. we have local resorts that start at 400 a night in season for the crappy rooms. $250+ right down the road from me and the rooms are nice but nothing spectacular.

    cottages? woah, that will set you back big time.
     
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    Just like president Obama?
     
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    What law is he breaking?
     
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    You've cried wolf about a thousand too many times. It's annoying, nobody wants to hear it anymore, and it's absolutely backfiring on you at this point.

    Keep up the good screeching and squirming.
     
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    You're free to be as daft as you like. The inescapable fact is that trump should not be profiting from his position in office. Full stop. Your silly view that the POTUS should somehow be exempt from ethical violations is telling.
     
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    ya whatever, I didnt even vote for him.

    gary Johnson likely would have vacationed in seattle, good dispensaries there. :)

    anyway, carry on, its early and you have a full day of complaining ahead if you.

    make sure to have a big breakfast!
     
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    Obama still has secret service protection 24/7/365.
     
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    Again - the point is not the cost.

    The point is that he is directing that cost INTO HIS OWN POCKET. Self-dealing. Apparently you are ok with that, even though exactly eat seam conduct would land any other federal employee in prison.

    Why are you ok with that?
     
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    18 USC ยง208

    https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg...l/USCODE-2012-title18-partI-chap11-sec208.htm

    ... whoever, being an officer or employee of the executive branch of the United States Government, or of any independent agency of the United States, a Federal Reserve bank director, officer, or employee, or an officer or employee of the District of Columbia, including a special Government employee, participates personally and substantially as a Government officer or employee, through decision, approval, disapproval, recommendation, the rendering of advice, investigation, or otherwise, in a judicial or other proceeding, application, request for a ruling or other determination, contract, claim, controversy, charge, accusation, arrest, or other particular matter in which, to his knowledge, he, his spouse, minor child, general partner, organization in which he is serving as officer, director, trustee, general partner or employee, or any person or organization with whom he is negotiating or has any arrangement concerning prospective employment, has a financial interest
    Shall be subject to the penalties set forth in section 216 of this title.


    Read the bold and underlined part. He is directing taxpayer money into his own pocket. He has a financial interest. Any other federal employee would be in prison. But you think his conduct is ok.
     
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    Impeach him.
     
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    Both Obama and Clinton walked into the White House about broke, and they both walked out multi-multi-millionaires.

    When those two profiteering crooks are sitting in jail, I'll consider your accusations against Trump.

    Full stop.
     
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    Ya whatever. Great retort. I'm just glad you know that you're wrong. I hope the cognitive dissonance isn't too much for you.
     
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    Hmmm. If they got rich by funneling tax payer money into their personal coffers you bet your ass I'd like to see them in jail. I voted for neither fwiw.
     
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    And if you're wondering why the Dems aren't going harder after Trump for his "profiteering", there's your answer right there.

    Their hands are every bit as deep in the cookie jar, and they know it.
     
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    I don't doubt it but it doesn't make trump any less of an asshat.
     
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    Really? Beyond their salaries, what kind of taxpayer money did Obama or Clinton direct into their own pockets?
     
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    reading comprehension insults, now cognitive dissonance insults, that's cute.

    I suspect you are just making this up as you go.

    Its only Tuesday, the good news is you have plenty of time to get upset about more stuff before the weekend.

    Enjoy!
     
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    Its not up to me, as I mentioned before, the secret service can stay in a tent for all I care, as long as everyone gets two scoops its fine by me.
     
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    It wasn't an insult, I was simply noting it.
     
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    Who implied it was up to you?
     

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