"Intel officials warned House lawmakers Russia interfering to get Trump reelected"

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  1. RP12

    RP12 Well-Known Member

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    Jill Stein ran under the Green Party..

    Knock it off with the insults.
     
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    This is such bs.....

    So it's all about false information then? If so when do we crack down on ABC CBS Nbc?

    Obviously there are REAL Americans who like Bernie and Trump because I see people at their rallies unless they're all paid Russians or Russian holograms. So what do you and others propose to do with their actual American supporters? Take their votes away? Only count a 1/3 of their votes?

    Worry about the Russians when their are actual people running buying their way through the election (Bloomberg)


    Unbelievable
     
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    So why would they be for Bernie then?

    If Russia's top priority is to get Trump re elected wouldn't they be for a candidate with no actual support like Biden?
     
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    It's pretty obvious that "Russia meddling" is a smear used against candidates some people don't like......

    Let's just say for arguments sake Russia is doing what they're saying the problem is both candidates have REAL American supporters, you can see them at the rallies.

    So how about this , get a message that resonates with the people instead of tearing downs those with messages that actually do.....

    And again big picture is we have a guy right now buying the election and we've all just accepted it and went o well..... Why is that?
     
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    So the guy with the most votes so far has the least chance?? Ok

    DNC wont accept that more democrats want Bernie and they're fixing to throw out every different kind of narrative to nullify the Bernie votes.
     
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    He said election you answered with rolls.....

    You didn't answer his question, probably on purpose
     
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    Bernie and co were probably think Hillary and the DNC were rigging it prior to the release of those emails.

    There were 7 states that were won by 3% or less , 3 being by .2% and everyone went to...... Hilary Clinton (the person who financed the DNC). Hillary won 34 and Bernie won 23 but every squeaker went in her favor..... Weird right
     
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    Russia is always involved in trying to sow discord in any way they can. Obama sat on his ass and did nothing about it. They never stopped trying to create problems in our elections. It's not "whataboutism" because it an ongoing process that never stopped and the Democrats are still instrumental in being the biggest tool for Russia. They have been for more than three years. Feinstein had a Chinese spy working for her for more than 20 years. Wasserman-Schultz had a whole team of Pakistani spies working for her and even tried to cover for them. She gave them full control to the Democrat congressional server. Admit it. you guys just suck at security but are very good at being tools for foreign governments. Yeah, but it's Trump's fault???? Get real.
     
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    Just because there is SO much relevance with this meme.

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    Yeah it is and the Democrats should stop. It's a shame that Feinstein had a Chinese spy working for her for more than twenty years. It's a shame that Wasserrman-Schultz had a team of Pakastani spies working for her and gave them access to the Democratic congressional server. Not only did she give them full and unfettered CONTROL to their server she tried to obstruct the investigation. It's a shame that a former Secretary of state had her own personal server where she did official business and stored classified documents. The Democrats just suck at security.
     
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    I just want to understand their thought process when talking about Russian meddling.

    Is it that if an enemy or perceived enemy says it whatever they're saying is automatically wrong and not to be listened to?

    If so if I work that out for my own life Bob from accounting is my perceived enemy. If Bob says don't whip your weiner out in the office, I should do the opposite just because Bob said it?

    So let's say I agree with Trump or Bernie's words I should now disagree with my thinking just because supposedly Russia likes it too?

    Also we hear constantly about Russia meddling but what about China? If Russia's doing it you know China's got to be too. Trump has a trade war going on, we don't think China's trying to meddle though? Or is it that since China owns a large part of our media we're just not allowed to see that aspect?
     
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    Come now.. You should know better. As long as there is a (D) following their name, they are ENTIRELY exempt. Heck, they even have superpowers. They can make a story up and convict you for that made up story...
     
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    1. There's no such thing as a study that's perfect. Your speculation about Russian help magically changing voters minds against Bonespurs isn't an argument---it's rank speculation. I'll take an expert's hypotheses over your baseless musings. That's why they're experts in the field, and you're some guy on an internet forum with no sources of his own.

    2. As I've already posted (please read the posts in the thread), the intelligence agencies aren't going to offer their opinion. Firsts, they don't believe it's their place to do so. Second, they can detect Russian help, but they lack the expertise to determine its impact. How you believe this somehow, in unicornland, means that the Russians had no impact is rather puzzling. But keep repeating it as though it's a "good argument", or something.
     
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    Oh, he sure can. *LOL*
     
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    Your "hypothesis" is that the intelligence agencies don't believe it's their place to investigate voter fraud from a foreign entity and they lack the expertise to determine the impact???? Do you honestly read what you post as you may want to edit it?
     
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    It's a university study's hypothesis that the Russians did have an impact in the election.

    Yes, it's my very well-informed hypothesis that career professionals won;t take a position on that issue.Why do you think that they would?

    BTW, I've read your posts, and you're in no position to tell anyone else to read and edit their posts.

    Your "arguments" never have sources. In fact, they're simply off the cuff musings.

     
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    Yesterday it was announced that actually Putin is trying to get Bernie Sanders elected instead of Trump. Generic reaction from the political Left? Well that's okay then; it doesn't count if Putin is interfering in a U.S. election to make a radical Socialist/Marxist president. Absolutely nobody was surprised at the nature of the collective leftist response.
     
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    It has nothing to do with facts. If one is a Democrat they will naturally follow the "Bob should whip his wiener out because orange man bad."

    China is different. Any good Democrat will tell you that we need to work with China. Never mind that they steal our technological and intellectual property patents because they might get mad if we don't suck their butt while they do it.
     
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    The “DC Media” bubble...hahahahaha.......The national polls have all of the serious dem contenders beating him
     
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    By way of third party opinions of candidates thoughts or message. So the best way to counteract that is to do your own leg work when researching a candidate.

    To me talking about election inference isn't a bad thing as we should be aware of it but to only single out Russia when talking about it would be like having a climate discussion and only talk about certain types of fossil fuels while leaving out others.

    China owns large portions of American media so we may not ever hear through the media Chineses election meddling but I'm sure since China is strong than Russia that they too are trying to influence our election right now
     
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    Source? If they are, **** them too.
     
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    RP, this was NOT about Facebook ads and you know it. It was about an entire range of things that they did to sew discord in the Democratic Party to benefit the right. That along with the release of the Democratic emails that the Russians got from the DNC and then made public to outright hurt the dems in public perception. The fact that the right thinks this was about facebook ads is not surprising, because the true media bubble exists on the right.

    And FTR, I wasnt slinging mud. I’ve seen your posts and respect you a a poster, but feel your being obtuse when it comes to this subject. Apologies if it came across wrong
     
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    Oh, look! It's a meme! Wow, I sure do stand corrected!
     
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