"Intel officials warned House lawmakers Russia interfering to get Trump reelected"

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  1. Bearack

    Bearack Well-Known Member

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    And your sources are mere hyperbole and speculation that even state it in their own "hypothesis". And they refer to polling data, not necessarily votes. And if you've read my post, your assertion that I "never" have sources would be 100% inaccurate. More fake news from the left.

    And with all that being said, what I find most amusing is that the left is just NOW realizing that the Russians have been trying to influence our elections. The Russians have been trying to influence our elections well before even McCarthy. How one forgets the very publicized Operation POROK or the KGB propaganda campaign against Barry Goldwater in the 1964 campaign? The Center for strategic and international studies did a comprehensive study of not only the 2016 election interference, but all the prior interference in our sphere of influence and our US election meddling.
     
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    Just WOW.

    American elections are not won with Republicans, or Democrats. They are won with independents. The Russians, led by a master of PSYOPS, know this and a exploited it. The know they will not change the fervent voters who are loyal on each side. What they are doing is changing the independent votes.

    Trump, and those on the right keep making this about a simple message which is “they convinced people who to vote for thru facebook”......when in reality it was a MUCH larger PSYOPS program to sow discord not only in the Democratic Party, but also in America itself. And they know there is no bigger divider than a leader like Trump. He is dividing America FOR them, and that makes America weaker.

    But by all means, keep thinking this is some simple operation to “change the rubes” in the crowd.
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So your saying that the independents were changed.......OK ;)

    Weird right ;)
     
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    Yes, because Universities engage in hyperbole and speculation in their studies.

    Are you going to read the study, or would you like for me to quote it bit by bit.

    This was a silly contention. BTW, you still haven't cited to any source.
     
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    It's merely because the left doesn't want Bernie as their DNC candidate so they are making him the sacrificial lamb.
     
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    That's nice, the problem is that none of them will despite your polls. The majority of people, whether they like his methodology or not, will not vote against their own interests and that means four more years of Trump. The democrats are in a tough place with a communist front runner, those who lived during the cold war won't vote for him, and if they displace him again his supporters won't support a moderate.

    The Trump nomination split the Republican party, but he placated the true conservatives with policy and judges, and is bringing them back into the fold with a renewed focus (to be honest, its just as much the democrats that have done this with their never-ending assault against Trump.)

    I'm not seeing the democrat divide being so simple a fix. Some people still understand what it is that Bernie really stands for and its not good. His supporters, however, are fervent, young, and naive...they will not compromise.
     
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    Actually it was paid for by a conservative website, The Washington Free Beacon”
     
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    I read the study. Are you going to acknowledge that the Soviets/Russians have constantly engaged in attempting to influencing our elections for at least the last 70 years?
     
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    I'm saying exactly what I said, that race came down to those 7 states that was within max 3% and a few were within .2% . Some how all those races went in favour of the candidate banking rolling the DNC.
     
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    Right now, the only “front running dem” who cant beat Trump is Bernie. And that is for exactly what you said. I could not agree more.

    But IMHO, thats why the Russians are helping him right now. And they really don't need to, because the Bernie Bro’s will burn the dem party to the ground if he doesn't get the dem nod, and If he does get the NOD, independents wont vote for him. Either way, the dems are screwed.

    Biden beats him, but he doesn't have the money to get out of the primaries

    Buttigieg intrigues me. He has a chance, but we have to see what happens on Super Tuesday

    Warrens 2% “wealth tax” kills her with independents, but she would at least be close

    Klobechar has NO chance

    Steyer and the rest of the clan have no chance
     
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    Merely look what happened to the NBA when Daryl Morey tweeted support for Hong Kong.

    Rockets GM Daryl Morey's Pro-Hong Kong Tweet Ignites Geopolitical Scandal Between NBA and China
     
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    It came down to arrogance. Hillary didn't even go to Michigan under the assumption she had it locked in. Trump went there several times. This was her death knell!
     
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    Wow just wow

    Spend time talking about the Russians interfering in our elections and causing distrust of our institutions when the DNC themselves are doing it by changing their rules and allowing a candidate to BUY his way into the election.

    Maybe just maybe we as Americans should first worry about American institutions causing lose of confidence in American society before we branch out to other nations
     
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    Wisconsin is the only lock state for the Trump right now. The other 6 can go either way. Buy ONLY for the right dem candidate
     
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    Wonder if that same arrogance could have allowed her to change votes to go in her favor in states like Iowa, Massachusetts and Kentucky?
     
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    You act as though the Republican Party is any different ? You ever hear of Steve Forbes ?

    Their not. Hack their emails and you will find the very same behaviors. This is EXACTLY the result the Russians planned ;)
     
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    1. Source?
    2. You understand that the internet and social media were not around in the old Soviet days, right? That's had an oversized influence, and you're comparing apples to oranges.
     
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    I'm talking about the 2016 DEMOCRATIC primary, Wisconsin wasn't one of those states that was with 3% between Clinton and Sanders.

    Those states were :

    Iowa .2%
    Illnois 2.2%
    Missouri .2%
    Kentucky .5%
    Massachusetts 1.4%
    New Mexico 2%
    South Dakota 2%
     
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    You have it backwards...it's not the institutions that are causing a loss of confidence in American society, it's the unfounded attacks on the institutions.
     
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    Wow dodge Bloomberg that's happening right now to talk about something else......
     
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    1. Post #228
    2. And yet, the Soviets (KGB) were able to successfully influence our elections without the means of social media, And saying comparing yesteryear to today's influence is apples to oranges is ridiculous on itself. The means of influence has changed, but the intent is the same.
     
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    The RNC changed the rules for Steve Forbes? I'm fairly sure Forbes never received the nomination, FYI. Can you site a source?
     
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