Nevada Caucus Results

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  1. struth

    struth Well-Known Member

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    Crop insurance isnt socialism neither is having a military
     
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    Trump expanded socialism.
     
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    The military is government controlled means of production over an industry which is worth ~75% of the discretionary budget.

    How is that not a massive form of socialism?
     
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    Yes.
     
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  5. struth

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    The military doesn’t make tank, planes or guns. They purchase them from private companies
     
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    Steyer has spent too much money in SC to drop out before they vote.

    I really don't see him dropping out before SC.

    UNLESS, since Bloomberg isn't on the ballot in SC and Steyer is sucking votes from Biden, and if Sanders wins SC it could be all over, Steyer dropping out and endorsing Biden could make sense (assuming that Steyer wants to try to stop Sanders).
     
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    Labouroflove Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Just look to Vermont to see the effects of Bernie's economic and governance theories.
     
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    Its serving me just fine.

    Unfortunately, not everyone in my generation is willing to work and sacrifice. In fact, few are. You really see it with people I grew up with.

    Thanks to Facebook, I can follow the lives of my burnout classmates who are still working in kitchens at 30 years old. The same people work at the same gas stations or servers at restaurants. Most had kids too young or couldnt stop smoking pot long enough to pass an initial drug screen.

    Now that they're in their 30s and realize their peers are successful and that they've ****ed up real bad, they want a second chance. A 'do-over', more or less. Not only is bernie a second chance, hes an easier way of life. Free from having to worry about money (because you dont have any) or having to worry about paying any of your debts (because you took out student loans to get a worthless degree and now you're shocked). Who wouldnt want those things when you have nothing and you know that in THIS world, the only way to unfuck yourself is through sheer hard work, determination, and sacrifice... and that's just too damn hard.

    Yeah, we're going downhill quick.

    As they say, you'll never see a successful Bernie supporter.
     
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  9. LoneStarGal

    LoneStarGal Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He's a frontrunner, but he has only 28 delegates out of 71 pledged delegates which are locked-in as of this moment for the first 3 states. 43 are locked for other candidates.

    Sanders (Biden and Buttigieg) will pick up more delegates in Nevada since only 7 out of 36 have been allocated. (The state also has 12 unpledged delegates, or 25% which won't come into play unless there is a second vote.) A candidate needs 1991 pledged delegates to win the nomination on the first vote at the convention.

    It's highly likely that we'll be watching a brokered convention. Democrat Party primaries can be messy because they allocate delegates proportionally, versus the Republican winner-take-all rule in most states.

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    Yes. And Bernie will become a proponent of winner-take-all delegate allocation based on popular vote by the time the convention rolls around.
     
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    The "Brokered Convention" just got LESS Likely (with the NV Results).

    And, it will become exponentially less likely if Sanders wins SC.
     
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    Bernie is positioned to come out of Super Tuesday with a significant lead.

    If anything Bloomberg is going to help Bernie by DILUTING the pool of delegates awarded to everyone else.

    I am impressed by his organization and the enthusiasm of his supporters. It is paying dividends across all of the states. He is either in first or second place and no amount of money wasted on advertising by Bloomberg is a substitute for a GOTV effort.

    In essence everyone else BUT Bloomberg would have to drop out after ST for him to have any hope of catching Bernie. I can see Steyer and possibly Warren choosing to drop out but Biden, Mayor Pete and Amy K are all too well funded to have any reason to drop out.
     
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    So true, looks like the DNC is gonna be pure Soviet Red this year
     
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    You may want to look at proportional delegates. Bernie is on track in South Carolina to get about half the delegates, slightly less than Biden, but about tied. With a 15% threshold, Steyer may pick up a delegate out of the total awarded.

    The magic number at the end of the day is 1991 pledged delegates, else they go to a brokered convention.
     
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    And what I like about it is that the Dem Party has done it to themselves. It was so obvious back in 2015/2016 that Bernie was just meant to generate the illusion of giving Hillary a fight for the nomination. Nobody -- including Bernie-the-shill -- actually thought at the time that his political cachet would skyrocket. Then it did and suddenly Hillary was in a real fight and she lost it to the extent that at the end Bernie was considered a serious politician -- what a joke! -- and Hillary had to use super delegates to bring him to his knees.

    Now the former joke of a shill of a politician is the real deal and the DNC can't stomach the idea that the one guy absolutely certain to lose against Trump simply due to the nature of his revolting ideology is going to be the one guy that Trump ends up facing. Because the DNC and Hillary were trying to be CLEVER back in 2015/2016 the DNC is now stuck with Bernie. Either they accept him this time or they risk crippling their own Party with more convention shenanigans. Now how sweet is that?
     
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    The Dems are going to have to get a live horse to keep beating. Trump did not offer North Korea anything to play nice. No pallet heaps of money, no nuclear deals. Obama, Trump is not.
     
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    A significant lead doesn't mean anything if he doesn't get 1991 pledged delegates. The best state for Sanders on Super Tuesday is Utah, and while he is the leader, he is only polling at 27% support there.

    If the convention were held today the convention would be brokered. Delegates are "locked" to vote for the candidate they are assigned to only on the first round. In a few states, they're locked for 2 rounds. On the second round, all delegates may vote however they wish (except those few who are committed for 2 rounds), plus the Super Delegates get to vote. The Super Delegates are picked by the DNC plus include Democrat members of Congress and past Democrat Presidents. Do you really think they will all vote for a Socialist?

    Even if Warren and Klobuchar drop out today, Warren's 8 delegates are still locked to vote for her and 7 for Klobuchar at the convention. The candidates can sign a "release" on their delegates, but those delegates become free to vote for any candidate they wish as unpledged delegates.
     
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    Yeah.

    My thinking is that if Bernie comes out of S. Tuesday with a significant delegate lead (say well over 200, and it could be more), he is really going to be hard to stop.

    Especially since the March 10th Contests (led by MI, WA, and MO) all set up well for him.
     
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    What "sources" are you looking at?
     
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    I predict riots when the majority of delegates vote for some candidate other than Sanders on a 2nd or 3rd round of voting, since it does not look like Sanders will get to 1991....and most voters do not understand the DNC rules.
     
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    Democrats are going to accidentally elect an independent socialist.
     
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    Maybe. Possibly.

    And Bernie supporters are the people in this country with the least amount to lose and the most amount of free time.

    Should be quite the show.
     
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    Bernie is well aware of the DNC rules and the fact that he has a strong ground game in place for the primaries indicates that he KNEW ahead of time that he would have to AVOID a brokered convention in order to clinch the nomination.

    From what I am seeing he is on track to achieve his goal.
     
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