Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21

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  1. Xenamnes

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    A claim that cannot be proven on the part of yourself. Demonstrate the evidence of such or recant the claim.

    Adults are not minors, nor are they owed anything by society at large, or even by the government.
     
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    Then explain precisely how these deaths would cease to occur without the second amendment existing. Do not claim that they would simply be more difficult to carry out, as such is by default openly admitting that those thirty thousand deaths would still occur regardless of the available methods. Explain how the deaths would stop occurring without firearms being available to serve as the sole determining factor.
     
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    Courts do not interpret the Constitution. They do apply it, but they do not interpret it. The States are the sole interpreters, as they are the ones who created and ratified the document, and all of its amendments. They are the ones who own it.
     
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    Move out of the USA then.
     
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    Exactly. The BOR including the 2A is here to stay. If you're going to live in the USA than you will be living in a country where people have the right to keep and bear arms.
     
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    Many disabled adults have mental capability of minors. Sadly in USA, these people have almost no help.
     
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    They would not cease -- they would likely be cut by 60% to 70%. Murder rate and suicide rate would drop and thus lives will be saved.

    Most people who commit suicide are very ambivalent. Most who fail never try again.
     
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    Sadly, the suffering -- suicide and murder will continue in USA. Second Amendment costs at least 30,000 lives each year.
     
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    I have never held a firearm, and never intend to.
     
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    That's your right, but you have no right to tell others they cannot do such.
     
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    I am nobody. But if 70% of Americans will be against Second Amendment, then it is no more.

    The Will of Majority is The Law.
     
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    You are totally incorrect, the majority of the law abiding fully support the Second, it is only a small group of people a true mistaken minority who wish to see it abolished.

    Sorry it doesn't work that way here in the U.S. we don't rule by mob in this country, and since you seem to think that is the way it should be maybe it's time to pack your bags and get out of the country to some socialist land where you can live gun and freedom free.
     
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    Sadly most Americans care little about people who are poor and disabled. Thus Americans oppose Welfare and regulations. But their will is the law.
     
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    Again totally false, Americans are by far some of the most generous people on earth, what is sad are the poor and disabled who refuse the even try to help themselves deciding instead to mooch off the good will of others

    They are truly societies leeches and should be tossed to the curb.

    Wrong their will is so little it matters not to any law they are insignificant bits of human debris.
     
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    How is keeping the age limits as they are "sacrificing thousands of lives". Sounds like Drama llama bleating to me
     
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    that's a bit of drama llama nonsense. Most of those are suicides. What we really don't need are control freaks telling us what we need.
     
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    More nonsense-Japan has completely banned handguns and their suicide rate is far higher than ours.
     
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    Even minors have demonstrated the ability to learn and understand the concept of responsibility.
     
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    Then nothing else of the claim on the part of yourself truly needs to be discussed, as murders and suicides are being admitted would continue unabated.
     
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    complete nonsense. you are assuming that if your dream of guns being banned, criminals wouldn't get them and suicidal people would fail to kill themselves. That's specious speculation on your part.
     
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    Young people can not be trusted with guns. Many of them are suicidal or homicidal.
     
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    Every suicide is a tragedy and a great sin. Suicides should be prevented.
     
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    As I mentioned earlier -- Japanese culture does not view suicide as a sin. This is a problem.
     
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    Many people with mental disability have very strange notions of responsibility. I am an Aspie -- not psychotic. Some psychotic people suffer hallucinations. They may think these voices are ordering them to commit strange acts.
     
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    Most criminal would not obtain them. Most suicide attempts will fail.
     

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