Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21

The firearms didn't do that.

 

put me down for the rand paul fan club as well.

 

I've got big problems with most of those requirements. Let me start with red flag laws. Red flag laws violate due process and are thus unconstitutional. They violate the rights of American citizens.

 

And I should be able to buy a gun from a gun store when I'm at least as young as 18 considering the fact I can serve at 18 and I can drive in most states at 16.

 

In this day and age if a juvenile has a criminal record a mile long they probably wouldn't be able to go into a gun store period as they would be incarcerated. With a criminal history that bad they would probably be in juvie until they turn 18 and then they would be transferred to adult prison to serve out the rest of their sentence, however long it might be.

 

See my previous post.

 

I don't necessarily have a problem with compromise depending on what kind of compromise we're talking about and more importantly, if it is indeed a compromise. A true compromise is when both sides gain something and both sides give something up.

For instance, the bump stock ban was not a compromise, it was only the gun grabbers who gained something from it. As for me, I've never owned a bump stock and I've never wanted a bump stock as its not something I would use. Im not going to use a device that throws accuracy out the window in exchange for a slightly higher rate of fire. However, as the bump stock ban was not a true compromise therefore Im opposed to it. Now, if the bill that banned bump stocks also had an article that granted national reciprocity for carry permits then it would be a true compromise and I would be in favor of it. Both sides are gaining something, the gun grabbers are gaining a ban on bump stocks, something they want, and the gun rights crowd is also gaining something they want, national reciprocity. Both sides are giving something up, the gun grabbers are giving up not having national reciprocity in the country and the gun rights crowd is giving up bump stocks. So its a true compromise.

 

"Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21"

then raise the age of an adult to 21, Adults are Adults.... lets use one age consistently - can't enlist in Military till 21 too

 

No 21 is too high.

 

"The Majority" is not a dictator either. The USA is not a Democracy. The USA is a Federated Republic. The "dictator" is the US Constitution.

The US Constitution has a 2nd Amendment, which is two part, but one of the parts is that the people have the right to keep and bear arms. This right was not granted by the 2nd Amendment, but rather is an inherent right that all people possess (the right to defend oneself).

 

And one year later - still no movement on the policy...

 

The bolded is NOT describing a law abiding citizen. And how do you punish someone for their "offense" of committing suicide?

Criminals are law breakers, by definition. They are people who would not abide by such a law about owning guns.

I ask again, exactly how does targeting law abiding citizens "save lives"?

 

I don't play scavenger hunt. I'd be glad to respond to anything you'd like suggest directly though.

 

Not true.

Take a look at the school shooter in FL, for example. I don't use their names.

Now I agree it was more complicated than that, but his mental health issues and encounters with the police were not in NICS.

 

I served at 18. Even in the Marine Corps they carefully control your access to weapons and ammo...to the round.

All training is done with a BFA on the end of your weapon firing blanks.

I'm not saying that you shouldn't be able to obtain a firearm at 18.

I'm saying that there is a very real danger that the criminal records of a juvenile will not appear in a NICS check.

Do you want a juvenile who killed someone at 15 to walk into a store at 18 and buy a gun because their records are sealed?

 

Alright then I will quote myself. In my previous post I said: "In this day and age if a juvenile has a criminal record a mile long they probably wouldn't be able to go into a gun store period as they would be incarcerated. With a criminal history that bad they would probably be in juvie until they turn 18 and then they would be transferred to adult prison to serve out the rest of their sentence, however long it might be."

 

Then they should be on NICS.

 

Right, well be that as it may in regards to the access and supervision they give you concerning weapons in the Marines, the fact remains that in most states you can drive at 16 unsupervised. Cars I would say are more dangerous then guns and I've got tons of experience with both.

If you commit a crime as severe as murder at 15 you will be charged as an adult and it will be on your record as an adult. The Florida shooter might've had some previous run-ins with the law as a juvenile but he hadn't committed murder, at least not before he shot up the school and killed all those people.

 

Then you understand my argument.

 

He was, however, disqualified due to mental health issues and domestic violence.

Had Democrats wanted to actually follow the law, of course.

 

That doesn't mean I agree with it. From what I know your argument states that criminal convictions committed prior to somebody turning 18 will not be on their record and thus they will be able to buy guns once they're of legal age despite whatever crimes they committed when they were under 18 and that's why the legal age to buy guns should be 21 because somebody who commits crime before they turn 18 is not going to stop after they turn 18 and three years is a good time for a habitual criminal to get caught and convicted and have a mark against them that would bar them from getting guns which is good because criminals shouldn't get guns. My argument is that any crime committed after a person turns 18 that's severe enough to bar a person from getting guns should be on their record even if they did the crime when they were under 18. That way there wouldn't be a problem for the legal age to buy guns is 18 for all types of guns, including handguns.

 

Then those should've been on his records and they should've come up when they did the NICS check. The fact that they didn't demonstrates there's something wrong with our system.

 

There are many things wrong with it.

Nearly all of them due to leftist policies.

 

If Dems had their way, the mere desire to own a gun would be evidence of a disqualifying mental condition. Shape a pop tart into a gunlike shape ‘L’, and you need help.

 

Dude learn punctuation.

We know that people who are committing crimes as teens do not suddenly become law abiding at 18.

We know that many crimes they would have committed might be sealed.

Therefore an 18 year old buying a firearm is a serious problem in identifying them as prohibited based on past behavior.