BREAKING: Congressional Doctor Expects Up to 150 Million Americans to Contract The Coronavirus With

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  1. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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  2. Iranian Monitor

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    All clear and you should go around with your life as before:) In the meantime, many of the people telling you to play Russian roulette with your health and life are now busy protecting themselves, basically shunning crowds. Maybe they are all part of the 'gloom and doom' crowd trying to derail Trump's election? Maybe Trump has joined that crowd too:)
     
  3. HTownMarine

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    As long as you understand that without shutting everything down, there would be 12m to 56m dead...

    "Go on" isnt an option, and had you been paying attention when this unfolded in China, Iran, or Italy, youd understand why.
     
  4. doombug

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    Really?
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  5. SEAL Team V

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    So what do you know more than the CDC? Do you have a global rate that differs? Even in craphole 3rd world countries that did not shut down the recovery rate of Coronavirus is growing exponentially everyday.

    GLOBAL CASES
    Updated March 13, 7:00 AM EDT
    Confirmed
    135,166
    Fatal
    4,990
    Recovered
    70,395
    TOP RESOURCES
    Coronavirus Disease
    cdc.gov

    Where is your proof that 12-56 million will die? This virus will not be contained.
     
  6. Labouroflove

    Labouroflove Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What the hell?

    Entire demographics wiped off the map?

    From your own graphic, people in their 80s survive a serious infection of Coronavirus at a rate of over 85%.

    85% of people in their 80's with Coronavirus WILL SURVIVE! Alert the media!

    6 in 7 80 year olds will live after Coronavirus!

    These numbers are so low they are almost statistical noise. 1 in 6 80 year olds will die this year virus free.

    Just stop this horse ****. Panic actually kills. You cucks are causing panic.
     
  7. Labouroflove

    Labouroflove Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Where are you getting the 20% serious response figure from?

    WHO is reporting critical / serious rates at less than 10% and trending down.

    Currently only 10 patients in the US are concerned critical and hospitalized. That's 10 out of 1600 active confirmed cases. For those mathematically challenged that's way less that 1%.

    Just stop!
     
  8. Thedimon

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    Almost no one dies from flu. The death is due to complications. Many countries record pneumonia as cause of death, not flu.
    That’s why there is a discrepancy.
     
  9. Rugglestx

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    CNN has been hammering Trump for days about the DOW, blaming him.

    On CNN website this morning “DOW futures up 900 points, no one knows why”

    yeah no bias there....

    keep that in mind whey watching media reports about this virus that mentions Trump in anyway...
     
  10. Labouroflove

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    Die? I'm not 80 with serious comorbidities.

    Oh, and for the record, >85% of those over 80 that contract Wuhan Coronavirus will survive.
     
  11. Iranian Monitor

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    There was no discrepancy for you to explain away. Various epidemics like influenza and others have spread very quickly in the US and, regardless of their mortality rate, there is no reason to expect this one not to spread quite rapidly as well. That was the point I was making.

    The other point I made relates to the US health care system as it relates to breadth of coverage and the kind of things which are most pertinent in responding to epidemics like this one. In this regard, the US health care system consistently ranks very low, and as shown below, ranks below all of China, Italy and Iran.
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    Even in terms of overall health rankings, the US (while ranking above China and Iran, albeit not by as much as you imagine) would rate below Italy.
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    I do, I have and I will continue to do so :) You certainly should lock yourself in, it's also not healthy to be that worried as you clearly are..

    Good luck!
     
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    The healthcare system might be inefficient in the US, but it’s quality is very good. Why do you think rich people go to the US for treatment?
     
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    I just heard a doctor explain a new way to ward off this Corn Virus.
    Take blood from former patients who had the virus and got well.
    Use their antibodies in that blood for new Coronavirus positive patients.
    A similar technique was used on a very small scale during the Spanish
    Flu epidemic.
     
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    That would be 120,000 to 560,000 if the SARS-CoV-2 virus is 10 time as deadly. Not numbers in the millions.

    We had the first 2 cases reported in Austin overnight. One is a man in his 60's who was transferred to an Austin hospital from a rural area of the state. The other is a woman in her 30's who is linked to a known infected person in the Houston area. She is quarantined at her home. Home quarantine likely means that she has zero or mild symptoms, which is what will happen with most people who contract the disease.

    China's numbers dropped precipitously when they decided to drop people who tested positive with zero symptoms out of their reporting. It is entirely possible that the tests are flawed to show false positives. People who have been clearly very sick have tested negative numerous times, and people who have no symptoms have tested positive. Testing, then, may only increase panic.
     
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    I agree. It’s becoming more silly by the hour :)
     
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    China closes makeshift hospitals as COVID-19 cases plunge

    It will be gone when the warm weather returns. Your body responds to viruses by turning up your body's thermostat and kills it off with a fever.

    China has a biological weapons factory just outside of....Wuhan. I believe they let this one get away from them. Biological weapons have to kill the opposing army's troops and go away quickly so their troops don't get the virus when they move in to the area.
     
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    That's true. We have a poor grade for "access" to healthcare, but score the highest on ability to deal with a pandemic. Since the government is working on a package to pay for peoples' care out of Medicaid for those who don't have insurance, and insurance companies have agreed to waive co-pays and out-of-pocket expenses related to the virus, we're in pretty good shape.

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  20. Iranian Monitor

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    The US health care system is very good for those who have adequate insurance coverage or are wealthy, but that is not the kind of advantage that plays a huge role in confronting mass epidemics like this one where breadth of coverage is more important than complicated procedures and such.

    As for traveling to the US for medical treatment, many people do that for the reason I alluded to, not because of efficiency or breadth of coverage. But on that score, the US does rate first the world, although others (such as Iran) attract their fair share of medical visitors (in Iran's case, despite the negative propaganda, sanctions, and relative geographic and political distance from places where people spend the most on health care).
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    They closed Austin schools and University of Texas classes. I'm sure that's an "overabundance of caution", but I'm not sure it's necessarily unless their is unknown source of contagion, or "community spread" like Seattle, New York, and the San Jose area have going on. Oh well, better safe than sorry.

    All the soccer moms will be out buying up all the toilet paper and Kool-Aid in town today.
     
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    That ranking is counter intuitive. There are people here almost proudly proclaiming "80,000" people dying from the flu in the US last year and all sorts of figures that show such epidemics spreading widely in the US. I don't see how the US is so 'well prepared' for dealing with these epidemics when they seem to spread so fast in the US? By contrast, while the Coronavirus has spread very fast in places like Italy and Iran, other such epidemics like influenza and such had not spread as fast as in the US.
     
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    We have 18 cases in Houston. Out of 6+ million people. Would need 60,000 cases to get to 1% infection rate. That is well over 50% of the total cases world wide currently...

    So over blown..
     
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    The rule of thumb, in warfare at least, is that you always overestimate the enemy's situation and assume 100% of the forces you're about to encounter are going to be in the fight. Of course, that never turns out to be the case, but at least you're never surprised because 90% of the enemy's forces show up, and you were counting on only 70% of them being there.

    Trump downplaying a new virus was much much worse than anyone overplaying it. We're STILL not building any hospitals or quarantine centers. Banning travel from EU might help stop the spread a little, but since it's already here, it's like locking the barn door after the horse has escaped.

    The testing situation will go down in history as a blunder as bad as the intelligence failure at Pearl Harbor. Trump apparently disbanded some Obama pandemic team. I doubt that's going to be decisive, but it is symptomatic of the kind of failures that are going on, which Trump will be blamed for, for the simple fact that he's head of state (and he also downplayed this literally up to the point where he reversed course and banned travel from Europe). Trump is STILL tweeting about Obama and H1N1. WTF? Stop doing that. START tweeting about things we could be doing, or if you can't tweet about that, give Americans some feel-good stuff about how we've handled crises before. Blaming Obama, when Trump has been in power almost four years, is lame. Everyone sees through it. It's political CYA for the blame that's coming, and it's totally inappropriate right now.

    There's also a big bucket of blame to be tossed at Democrats. We're the "big government" party. Government to the rescue! This was a perfect opportunity! How could we blow this so badly??? It was obvious a month ago that this COULD come here and become a major problem. It was obvious two weeks ago that it WOULD come here and become a major problem. So where's the TARP-equivalent to the Coronavirus? We control the House. Why weren't we proactive on this? Pelosi should have had something big ready to go, and they could be voting on it right now: tens of billions in tax relief/stimulus, critical industry protection, and hospital and quarantine center construction. She could have had that ready to go, could force the GOP to vote on it right now (they would pass it), could dare the Senate GOP to stop it (they wouldn't), and Trump would have signed it. Why not? People would have cheered it. The markets would have liked it. Nobody cares about the deficit right now. And Trump loves signing stuff. Instead, we're going to appropriate some pathetically small amount, and it won't nearly be enough. And the Democrats are OK with that?

    You could sum up our policy as follows: hope for the best. That should be very alarming in the face of a threat we don't know much about. That's the kind of posture helpless third-world countries without any resources take. I don't know why we blew it so badly. Is everyone just too exhausted fighting each other to do any kind of forward thinking?

    ...

    As far as things stand now, "There is a "high" likelihood that healthcare systems including Britain's NHS will not be able to cope with coronavirus in the coming weeks, EU health authorities have warned."
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...lth-authorities-latest-covid-19-a9398051.html

    That would, of course, be very bad. That's not panic, that's realism. That's what's already going on in Italy right now. Angela Merkel is warning 70% of Germans might get it. She's not prone to panicking. I think that's probably realistic, too. It's contagious, nobody has any immunity to it, there's no vaccine, and no effective treatment.

    In a lot of ways we're different than Italy, but we also completely blew the testing, and we still haven't taken measures that Italy took early on: closing schools nationwide, locking vast swaths of the country down, so we really have no idea how prevalent this is. It's like going over some waterfall without knowing how big the plunge is.

    The best we can hope for is that this is a lot more contagious than we thought, it IS like the flu (kills 1 out of a thousand instead of 1 out of 100), and only, say, 1/5 of the country gets it (60 million people), and warmer weather slows it down, so our system doesn't collapse from all the hospitalizations. Then you're looking at something that is bad, but manageable. I don't think that's going to be the case, though. This is overwhelming Italy, it's going to overwhelm the EU, then UK, then our turn. All within about a month's time.

    I never thought I'd say the Democrats should have listened to Tucker Carlson, but they should have.
     
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    It’s not going to overwhelm this country.

    Absolute worst case scenario the US Military can step in to provide help to areas. They you will see why we spend as much as we do on it....and why the best of Americans are in uniform. The amazing thing is that they will be able to do their job across the world and still provide help at home. :)
     
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