Oxford study: millions may have already built up coronavirus immunity

So build more hospital infrastructure to handle the increased load.

Instead of spending $2 trillion on some gigantic "stimulus" package, just spend $200 billion to add capacity to the most critical hospitals.

Then you don't have to shut the entire economy down.

 

It's not as simple as: "Here's the money, boom". Infrastructure plans take MONTHS to do, and the actual labor involved?

Everything from more hospitals, to a SARS vaccine, we had AMPLE time. From 2003-2020. But we failed as a human species to put our priorities in order.

 

A Chinese construction company built a 57 story skyscraper in 19 days.

So if it takes months to build out more hospital infrastructure in the USA, it means US industry is way behind Chinese industry or it means the US regulatory environment is far too restrictive.

 

Or Chinese infrastructure is cheap . But yes, I do agree our regulations are restrictive, and that's been one of Trump's responses to cut down on the tape. But sometimes the tape is important to, to keep from defective products.

This crisis from the Chinese wetfarms is because of China's inability to regulate its food industry.(As well as the sheer cruelty of the very existence of the wet farms.)

 

Hospital infrastructure is one choke point and others, like medical personnel, are not so easily created with money.

 

None of the mutations have been of consequence. All viruses mutate constantly. But if there is no change in surface antigen, there is no change in immunity

 

You're just saying your position again but not adding anything new to the discussion. I'm challenging your assertion states have absolute sovereignty in their borders. Now prove it.

Sure you are.

And? All I had to do was prove he exists and what he did happened. You gave me that. Good job.

[QUOTEYou have no grounds for your accusation that the Oxford study is on "shaky ground". None whatsoever.

And I never said it could be applied to different countries. This study is about the UK and the US specifically. It is meant to inform people living in those countries. They need to know that we may have already achieved herd immunity to COVID-19 and that the worst is over. I'm not even saying that's the case, only that they should be made aware of the possibility. [/QUOTE]

It doesn't say anything about the US, just UK and Italy. It doesn't inform, it offers another view on the matter.This isn't something meant for public consumption and understanding, this is a serious medical debate. Unless you have a serious stake in public health policy making decisions, this isn't your fight to make.

Why are you speculating like this?

 

Right, because they don't add needless costs to their infrastructure projects. They just do it.

There is no technological or financial reason why the US cannot rapidly add hospital infrastructure. It's simply a matter of political will and imagination, which the country desperately lacks.

The best way to prevent bad or defective products is through robust competition and consistent enforcement of property rights and contracts

In any case, there is nothing technological or financial preventing the US from rapidly adding critical hospital infrastructure. It is a failure of leadership and vision, plain and simple.

 

So redirect underutilized personnel to where they are needed most.

 

Even 'mild cases' are highly infectious to others.

 

1% or less agrees with the private numbers crunching I have been doing lately with the available statistics of known infections and deaths. The only possible reason that there has been a world wide panic is perhaps the fact that it is one of the most contagious types of influenza to strike at the world. Apparently it is way more infectious than other types. At least that seems to be the reasoning.

 

That's what Britain was originally going to do and that is what Sweden just announced that it is going to go with.

 

It's just the same old story: The ruling class are exaggerating a threat in order to capitalize on it.

The monetary and fiscal policies that have been pursued in response to this overblown threat are nothing more than the largest cash-grab in history.

And the totalitarian powers being seized by governments all around the world are nothing more than an attempt to further enslave humanity to the ruling class.

Anyone who does not see this is willfully blind.

 

If only there were real world observation to show the impact of not acting. Hmmmmm. Nothing comes to mind. Derrrrr.

 

I dunno. When was the last time an Italian or Spanish hospital were over run by common flu patients?

 

Like he has been explained a million times before. It's because it's immediate, unknown, and highly contagious and our structure can't handle a fast spreading high hospitalization sickness. We don't have the infrastructure to support it.

 

You may have a point. Covid is catching up to the flu.

 

Our economic structure cannot(and will not) sustain the indefinite suspension either. What we sacrificed for the hospital system is FAR greater than its costs. If we presume that the deaths will have a limit to them(and if we presume the spread will be contained), the cost will be so excessive as to never indulge in this experiment again. In fact, I'd sooner invest the money in more hospitals and in-house care, so that the next crisis we don't destroy the economy for a short term save.

 

I don't think we have a choice. A leader would have to put a dollar sign on human life and spit in the face of the service and health industry. I agree we should invest so this doesn't happen again but our system gets too greedy and lazy and we would scrap it as soon as another crisis or bubble hit.

 

Who says we shouldn't act? Are the only options you see to shut down global civilization or do nothing? Are you incapable of seeing any middle ground between those two extremes?

 

Italian and Spanish hospitals are a great example of the failure of socialized medicine. They couldn't even handle a relatively small influx of patients during a time of peace and prosperity. The problem is not the virus, but the utter lack of competency and imagination permeating the western world.

 

Funny how the richest and most advanced countries in history cannot handle a few thousand sick people showing up at their hospitals and must resort to shutting down their civilizations while handing governments absolute power over society.

This is easily the most shameful and embarrassing moment in modern history. People should be outraged at the failure of leadership we're witnessing. Instead, they just cheer while politicians hand trillions of dollars over to big banks and seize absolute power for themselves.

 

I don't think it's funny at all, but I do think it describes our situation in a nutshell.

 

When political authorities in the US need to invade and destroy another country, they rapidly deploy the full might of American commerce and technology to accomplish their goal.

Nobody questions their ability to destroy entire civilizations in the span of a few weeks or months.

But providing adequate medical care to a few thousand sick people inside their own country? Apparently, that is too difficult and complex for them to handle in a timely and efficient manner.

Destroy an entire country? No problem. We'll have it done in a few weeks.

Provide care to an influx of sick people? WHOA! Who do you think we are, miracle workers!?

 

Of course there is a choice.

We can choose to be hysterical or we can choose to be reasonable.

Most Americans are choosing to be hysterical.