Opening the Country: Trump's two faces

Wow! Your posts are getting brainier by the minute. I imagine the hours you must have spent in research to write the above dissertation. Such clarity of ideas and profound reasoning....

I'm impressed!

 

So?

Usually posters try to make a point when we write posts so that others don't have to ask "So?"

 

The point is obvious. Trump has little to nothing to do with opening up. A point which you keep trying to avoid.

 

He’s the guy who started a thread about this forum needing fact checkers. So yeah......

 

You're right about one thing: I do try to avoid statements that have nothing to do with what I write. They usually end with me calling the author of the irrelevancies some name that, while it is well deserved, is not usually appreciated as "artful" by the mods. I was just curious to see if this had anything to do. If you say it doesn't....

 

still dodging.

 

Admit it. You want to blame Trump for any deaths that occur during opening. It makes it hard to do, when someone else has their hand on the throttle.

 

And having government deal with a crisis by creating another worse one is less than helpful. It is downright stupid.

 

No. I blame Trump for waaaay more than that.

 

Of course you do. But you have also complained almost endlessly about opening too early. I hope you are not going to claim your claims had nothing to do with Trump.

 

And it's exactly what some Republicans are doing by not following the Trump administration's guidelines.

 

Hello, you missed my point. The other crisis was the shutdown, not guidelines or partisan hackery.

 

The shutdown is not a crisis. The shutdown averts a crisis. The pandemic is a crisis. Not following the Trump administration guidelines for reopening is a crisis.

Those are the basic crisis. And they have produced several consequences: a healthcare crisis, a crisis of dead people, an economic crisis, an unemployment crisis, ... a shutdown...

Don't confuse the consequences of the crisis with the crisis itself. If you start treating one of the symptoms of the crisis ignoring the fact that it makes the real root crisis itself worse, you're just making things worse.

 

~ Opening the country up for business will save lives . See the Communist Chinese Party and the officials at WHO with complaints.
The drama from the radical left is nauseous ...´

 

Sure.... So many lives will be saved by getting a haircut, or going to church, and... things like that in places where the number of infected are still on a straight line going up.

The "nausea" you feel is the sentiment that I hope people who advocate policies that they know will needlessly kill human beings will all suffer.

 

~ Some people are already dead - but they are still breathing .

 

I said it was. So we disagree.

I said it was a second crisis. So we disagree

Indeed.

I would say it scares the left into understanding that the shutdown won't last until election day.

The economic crash wasn't caused by a virus. It was caused by government. You know that as well as I do.

I haven't confused anything.

 

I see... you're talking about those that, according to Trump supporters are "disposable" people like.... everybody over 65.

 

Who are these Trump supporters who say that?

 

The ones who argue that opening the economy is worth sacrificing people's lives. There have been several of those. If you haven't seen them, it's not worth my time to look for them but I'll be sure to write an @kriman the next time I see one. Be on the lookout.

 

Except that people have a choice.

I am over eighty. Everything I do is a risk. I risk my life getting out of bed, getting in a bathtub, climbing a ladder or driving a car.

I will hold back until the concerns lessen. In the meantime, those that go to work are not jeopardizing my health and they will certainly make things better at the grocery stores, etc.

 

No they don't.

 

Those at risk, like me, do. It has bad effects mostly on older people like me who are retired.

 

This is not about people like you. It's about people who have a reason to want to live that is their own, maybe they enjoy their family or are still leading a productive life.... for whatever reason they don't want to put their life at risk. You, and everybody who chooses to promote acting recklessly, are putting their life at risk. And it's not their choice. It's yours!

All those who recklessly and needlessly put the life of others who don't want their life to be at risk, just because they want to do whatever the hell they want, should be regarded as criminals.

 

Damn, if I thought this way and lived my life under these guidelines, I'd never drive a car, my bike, hunt, fish, eat pork, ride in plane, boat, bus and God forbid leave my house

Do you even read this stuff back to yourself Golem? I mean at this point I'm actually starting to believe you are just what all these posts picture you to be!

I could never be the model prisoner, recluse or mouse you would clearly have me to be