Opening the Country: Trump's two faces

This is how Democrats will justify taking your liberty and don't expect them to give it back.

Democrats think this is their best chance to destroy capitalism and begin a neo-communist takeover of America

 

They still have a choice in how they live their life. How they choose their family life, recreation and how they work. Whatever, they choose, there will always be risks. Both for this virus and whatever comes along in the future.

I am not promoting acting recklessly. My choices do not affect them whatsoever. Whatever I do, they can still do what they want. They can minimize their risk or put caution to the wind. This is life. If you are waiting for the risk to go to zero, it will never happen. Hopefully, we can be very careful for a while and later loosen up to what we consider a normal life.

 

~ Of course these are the same folks who "blame & shame" others for their own misery. They do not like taking responsibility for themselves.

 

If you increase the chances of killing people by doing those things in the same proportion as the chances people dying are increased by acting as if nothing is happening, I most definitely agree that you should do those things. Which is unnecessary for me to say, because if you did, you'd either be in prison or have a court order restricting you from doing them anyway.

 

Makes me wonder what sort of person is really behind the avatar, posts and ideology.. I can understand reasonable caution, but some of these post beyond overly-cautious..

Why are some people overly cautious

 

Except they don't get a choice to live.

Look... you don't have a right to decide that other people die just because of some god-like instinct. Your idol, Trump, thinks he does. He doesn't either... You just chose a the worst role model.

 

If I'm in public with others then it is a collective risk Golem! You simply cant process that can you? YOU are the one choosing to hole up, the others are not.. Clearly they are confident and you are not that they can survive and you are afraid you may not, so your best option is to isolate.. No one is forcing you to stay indoors, and realistically you would be just as uncomfortable in public in any situation other then "BY YOURSELF" or "ALL TO YOUR SELF" which logically WILL not happen! The sick, old and frightened are vastly outnumber by the healthy and confident..

Someone has to catch the flu FFS. We all cant and are not willing to waste away because a group of paranoidal hypochondriac want to be able to roam freely without risk..

It's simple, stay in your home and let the healthy and acclimated take the risk you are not willing to do..

 

There was more to the examples then driving, of which I bet you would have a worry about too

 

They have a choice how careful they want to be.

I thought I made it clear. I am not intentionally influencing anyone on how they live or die. I intend to be careful. Other people have to make their own choices.​

Where have I chose a role model? The governor has more impact than Trump.

You seem hell bent on misinterpreting everything I write. I am not sure whether it is poor reading comprehension or just bitterness because you are losing your arguments.

 

~ We're too old to have role models. Most of us are just going with common sense. Hero's and role models are for children - no matter their age.

 

Going out in public or promoting going out in public against CDC recommendations increases collective risk unnecessarily.

This is not about your risk. If you were only putting yourself at risk I would acknowledge your right to do dumb things so long as they only affect you. But that's not the case. It's about the risk you put others in.

This is a recurring theme among Trump supporters. Just like Trump keeps changing the subject to make everything regarding the pandemic about him, many of his supporters seem eager to copy this self-centered mental state.

 

One.... more... time.... This is not about you. This is about whether or not irresponsible local or federal government officials put the life of responsible people at risk.

I find myself saying this again and again, but it is definitely a theme among Trump loyalists: every time they talk about the pandemic, this idiot President changes the subject to himself. How it affects him. How it affects his numbers. Or how likely he is of getting infected.... and so on. And they feel that's great, and try to do the same.

What you do or how much at risk you are is absolutely irrelevant in this debate. What is relevant here is whether or not governors or local officials should open communities with no regards to CDC guidelines. Anybody who is not against them doing this is adding to the problem.

 

My point is made.... I was trying to make it not as explicit. But thanks for the help.

 

Of course they have a choice. Nobody is forcing them to go anywhere or do anything. But just because they are scared, doesn’t mean they get to let their fears dictate my life either

 

You said "Look... you don't have a right to decide that other people die just because of some god-like instinct.."

 

What you fail to understand is you can hole up in a house and not give any of this a concern! What you want is to be able to roam around without fear of contracting what you seem to think cant survive, that's your problem! Mankind does not and never has quarantined the healthy so the sickly, old and weak could roam around, it simply makes no sense! Shutting down production for people that are to old, to sick and to weak to be productive is insanity!

Natural selection is how we evolved, to take a planet of 7.8 billions people and suggest or force them to stay indoors is not the natural order of any species on earth..

 

They are. They are forcing them to breath the same air where coronavirus infected people who don't follow the CDC guidelines sneeze!

It's amazing.... How many months and just about the only thing on the news (real news...I don't know about the echo-chamber) are experts explaining how Covid-19 works and how and why pandemics spread. And all these Trump loyalists who still don't get it. It has to be a record.

 

Say what? They are forcing them to breath the same air? WHy don't thiey just stay in their homes.if they don't want to be around other people?

Who's not following the CDC guidelines? The guidelines talk about being 6 feet away....

What is rather amazing to me is you don't seem to get the fact nobody is forcing anyone out of their homes if they are scared, nobody is forcing them to work, nobody is forcing them to be around anyone. Stay in your home...I'm fine with that,. But you don't have a right to force me to

 

Genius! Or even better... you know how they say the only people who are safe from infection are the astronauts on the Space Station? Just have everybody who decides not to risk their lives unnecessarily shipped to the Space Station. That way those who happen to work at a supermarket, for example, don't have to worry about some idiot walking in, who decided to get a haircut yesterday and is infecting everybody he comes across. Or even about losing the only job with which they feed their children because.... they're out in space! And if they suddenly remember that they should be working and caring for somebody, they just hit the dial that pumps in more nitrogen into their space suit, and in a few seconds all concerns are gone!

You know how they say that Trump supporters live in their own fantasy world with no notion of what the real world is like? You don't actually get a feel of how true that is until you read what these people write in forums like this one!

 

What just like all the isolationist pretend to do in their homes, I'm not there yet

 

What a dumb question! How do you not stay around other people if you have to work, or go to a doctor, or buy things they need to... exist?

 

I don’t and the people I’m around have chosen to be there too. We do maintain social distancing though.

 

I'll just say one thing.... I knew after writing the second line on that post you quoted, that you wouldn't understand it. But I just kept going because.... what the hell! I can always cut and paste it in a conversation with somebody that I know will understand it. This way I'll have it handy.

 

Is that even possible?

 

My Doctors has a well side and a sick side entrance. Work, my brother in law, sister in law and nieces do it and have done it before and since the outbreak.. Buy things, well we have covered that a few times already, Amazon, Click list and curb side shopping! I'm sure all markets are doing this now, swipe a card pop the trunk and they load it up for you all sterile like Gets a little monotonous reposting the same answers to the same question a dozen times, even going as far as annoying when they are same question so easily debunked or so simply obviously addressed this far in to the pandemic ¯\_(º¸º)_/¯