Tax the 1%...

Give me an example of how the rights to liberty have been stripped from them-
And not as in imprisoned for crimes.

 

Take 10% of the property? Why stop at 10% lets just take it all, and then who gets to decide how we divide it up? Maybe we can put democrats in charge, they know so much according to Hirono, or whatever her name is from Hawaii.
Sounds like a good plan. I'm in as long as I get one of the mansions with a pool, otherwise I'm out damn it.

 

Ohh, tell me what I've been "found out" about!

 

Isn't it standard for you right wingers? Lack of economic knowledge

 

Couldn't answer the question, as I suspected. Sorry you lose.

 

What a pitiful response. I answered very specifically. If you don't like the answer, critique it with some dignity.

 

None.. because none of that happens

 

False. You were unable or unwilling to comply. You lose.

 

I'm neither interested in dissonance or childish dialogue. God bless!

 

That seems to be all you're interested in. However, I'm feeling generous today, so tell me what I've been "found out" about?

 

Wrong. It most definitely and indisputably happens. It is the inevitable and indisputable effect of government's issuance and enforcement of privileges (legal entitlements to benefit from the abrogation of others' rights without making just compensation) like land titles, bank licenses, IP monopolies, broadcast spectrum allocations, oil and mineral rights, etc. That is why the productive toil their lives away and end up with nothing, while rich, greedy, privileged parasites get rapidly richer without contributing to production in any way.

 

Everyone's rights to liberty have been forcibly removed and given to the privileged as their private property. Everyone must then pay the privileged full market value just for permission to exercise those rights. The obvious example is a land title: everyone is naturally at liberty to use all land non-exclusively, as our ancestors did to survive for millions of years. A land title is a government-issued and -enforced privilege -- i.e., a legal entitlement to benefit from the abrogation of others' rights without making just compensation -- that forcibly removes that liberty right and transfers it to the landowner as his private property. The landowner OWNS everyone else's liberty right to use that land. IP monopolies, bank licenses, broadcast spectrum allocations and oil and mineral rights are some other important government-issued and -enforced privileges that have similar effects. Through such privileges, in combination with the unjust and economically harmful taxation that subsidizes them, roughly half of GDP (depending on the country) is taken from producers and consumers and given to rich, greedy, privileged parasites in return for nothing.

 

Can't support that- because if you choose not to own property (your house for example) nobody has refused the right to do so. if they DENIED you the right, it would be different- and the idea that anybody can believe they have the right to any property is to say theft is legal. Theft of- occupancy, I can move into your house or harvest your crop or whatever. Protection of the fruits of your labor is something that gets protected to, and in order to have any kind of acceptable level of life and productivity that supports society, you will have to have property of some kind or another.

IF the "rich greedy parasites" quit supporting all the great things they do- your quality of your life would shrink dramatically. I think your real complaint is perhaps that someone else has something you don;t and that they aren't doing more for you personally.

The top 10% of taxpayers for example are already paying 70% of the total tax bill- subsidizing those who pay less (or none), but hate them for not paying the other 30% too.

 

How about no taxes, unless the US Congress can balance the budget and actually be held accountable for waste, fraud and abuse of taxpayer money?

Federal agencies paid $175 billion in error during fiscal 2019 roughly $24 billion more than in the previous fiscal year, according to a recently released Government Accountability Office report.

The GAO refers to the payments as “improper” and said they occur when the federal government “overpays, underpays, or makes payments to ineligible recipients.” It also includes payments made for “an ineligible good or service.”

 

See how you immediately have to change the subject? A house is not any of the specific right-removing privileges I identified.

That's just objectively false. Every landowner refuses you the right to build a house at that location, and requires you to pay him for PERMISSION to do so. He OWNS your liberty to build a house there.

They do, and it is, as proved above.

Again, you are just trying to change the subject. Please address one or more of the specific right-removing privileges I identified.

Houses and crops are products of labor, not any of the privileges I identified. Please try to address what I wrote rather than just falsely claiming I said something I did not say.

Correct. We need secure property in the fruits of our labor. But we don't need property that consists of other people's rights to liberty.

False. 99% of us would be better off if we did not have to pay rich, greedy, privileged parasites for permission to work, shop, access public services and infrastructure, or even just to exist.

Yes, and you think that because you have no factual or logical arguments to offer, and consequently are just makin' $#!+ up.

Please provide some evidence for that claim.

No, that is also false. It is the productive who are taxed to provide subsidies for the privileged.

 

My- you certainly have worked yourself into a lather with this. But you don't mention YOUR rights, except as someone else having taken them.
Do you have a car? Or do you think that you should be able to just drive any of them you please? If you come out of the store and your car has been stolen, are you happy you shared?
Sure you are. How about your home- your house, or apartment, or tent on the sidewalk. How about you come home and find that others who think like you do are living in them, because after all- you having anything is depriving them of their rights.... So understanding that, I'm sure you don't mind.

If we do that, the motivation to do more, to build, to achieve- would be dead. We would become a nation of dead-beats; no need to build anything in our life because we already own everything, so we just take as we please.

Like it or not, life is competitive. IF you don't run the race- you never win anything. And it's all the fault of those damn winners; if they had just sat on the starting line, they wouldn't have beat you, wouldn't have won the prize you won't compete for.

Nature made the fundamental rules here- If you don't hunt, you don't eat. You're not entitled to win by your birthright- you are entitled to try. It's up to you.

 

That entirely not true. That's the way you really wish it was so that your outrage would be justified.

 

<yawn> You have no facts or logic to offer, so you just make up some false ad hominem $#!+ about me personally. Shocker!

Why are you trying to make this about me personally? Is it because you have already realized you have no facts, economics, or logic to offer?

Are you going to continue to try to change the subject? Is a car a land title? Is it a bank license? Is it an IP monopoly? Is it any other kind of entitlement that the privileged buy in order to legally take wealth from others without making any contribution to wealth production in return?

You know that you have no facts, logic or arguments to offer, so you just make $#!+ up about me personally. Simple.

Are you going to continue to try to change the subject? Is a house, apartment, or tent a land title? Is it a bank license? Is it an IP monopoly? Is it any other kind of entitlement that the privileged buy in order to legally take wealth from others without making any contribution to wealth production in return?

That is puerile, disingenuous garbage unrelated to anything I have said. Please try to find a willingness to know the fact that owning the fruits of one's labor is different from owning other people's rights.

There is a difference between competing to produce and competing to take. Please Google "rent seeking" and try to at least minimally inform yourself of the issue.

But why should I -- or anyone -- have to run the race carrying parasites on our backs, hmmmm? The fact that some might be strong enough to run while carrying someone else on their back does not mean that those who are not strong enough are to blame for their slow progress, or that those who are being carried across the finish line by the strongest runners are themselves among the strongest runners.

More infantile and disingenuous ad hominem filth. We are not merely running a race where we all start at the same place. We, the productive, are running on the treadmill that powers the escalator the privileged ride up at their leisure.

Your claims are just objectively false. The privileged -- the landowner, the bankster, the IP monopolist, etc. -- eat better than the hunters, without lifting a finger. How do they do that?

Blank out.

That is nothing but evil, disingenuous, blame-the-victim filth. I want nothing more than the fair race you describe. But that is not reality. Reality is the treadmill that powers the escalator, and I will thank you to remember it.

 

It is indisputably true. I simply described the legal and economic reality.

No, that is the way it is, and you have offered no facts or arguments to the contrary, nor will you ever be doing so.

 

Nonsense. Citizens of First World democracies are free to pursue whatever they see fit to pursue. They can become rich landlords, or poor social workers. Frugal savers, or wastrels. When it's all a choice, your argument has no legs.

 

In all fairness why don't we take from the bottom 40 - 50% who pay no taxes and contribute nothing?

 

More nonsense. I know several people whom you would claim had their rights to liberty forcibly removed (IOW, they were born to poverty) who became - via the fruit of self-discipline, careful choices and committed hard work - the privileged you moan about.

It's Disneyesque romanticism to suggest that at some point in that journey they magically morphed from noble and good peasant, to evil lords.

 

That fair race has existed throughout the Western World for decades. We're all born with access to the same tools for personal betterment - free education, clean water, adequate food and housing, and a capitalist democracy in which we can choose our path. And it's that very freedom provided by a capitalist democracy which means some will choose to better themselves, and some won't. That's what you'll ALWAYS get when starvation is taken out of the equation, because that's human nature.

If you want everyone to be exactly the same, the only way you'll get it is in a totalitarian dictatorship. Try North Korea.

 

BLAME the victim??? You are the person who made yourself the "victim". YOU are the perpetrator of the illusion. There is no one else to blame.
Impossible to convince anyone of anything against their will, regardless of facts.

I guess we have to say, gee- you have it figured out, the whole world is divided in the haves and have not, and the only reason you are poor is that someone else is rich- took all the money before you got there. But, now you know how that works, and you are in a position to get even! You are an excellent candidate for starting your own business and possibly becoming wealthy overnight. I've done it twice from scratch, no reason you can't. Just scrape everything you have together, and go for it. Since a large part of the greatly successful in the world have done just that, without the benefit of money, and in many cases even much education- so you just can't miss. You WILL get something quite valuable out of it, I promise you.

 

How much have you contributed in the way of taxes.