Black man dies after video shows officer kneeling on neck

Now there's a big stretch, just as much as bluesguy keeps stretching the other direction.

The club owner said it was possible that Chauvin and Floyd never even met. Floyd worked inside the bar and Chauvin was an outside security guy. Now you want to imagine a romantic affair into the story???

Good grief.

Y'all sure can take two paragraphs from the warrant document or one new article and write a fiction novel full of speculations and fantasy.

 

Does the media care about the looting and burning:

 

All the political activists and media attention given to these cases when the deceased is black does a disservice to the justice system. The trial will have to be moved out of jurisdiction in order to try to find a jury panel which is not familiar with the case. Jurors are supposed to be selected from people who haven't heard any prior news about the case so they can be impartial. (Impanelling a jury for the O.J. Simpson case took forever, for comparison.)

I can already imagine the time delays that will happen in our "swift and sure justice" system because of all this publicity and legal need to find neutral jurors. You'd have to be living under a rock.

At least the families of white and brown people who are killed by police get to go through the process a lot faster and outside the glaring spotlight. Like the shot-by-cop protest in Austin today. Mike Ramos, who?

 

Video from earlier(as well as the affidavit) fills in the blanks. According to the affidavit, George Floyd had complained of being claustophobic(after being arrested and put in the car. You'll note that at the start of the video, Floyd is in the car.). Likely, the police decided to pull over and as a few suggested, to have him come outside and wait for the van.

At this point, Floyd wasn't per se 'resisting arrest', as much as he was resisting to come out of the car.(Well, I guess the officers interpreted that the same way.) But it's a damning indictment on his so called clustophobic claims(which both me and Lonegal knew was bullshit.)

Then they pulled him out of the car and restrained him to the ground, the rest is sadly history.

 

Back to one of my earlier points. They had him in the squad car. The should have shut the doors and either wait for the medics or the paddy wagon. Or just drive him to the station.

Was he "complaining of breathing difficulties" as you have presumed and translated him repeating "I can't breathe", or was he repeating "I can't breathe," because they were dragging him across the backseat of the squad car by his throat???

We don't know. Do we???

The fire department EMT's were told he had a "laceration to his mouth". That's all they were told when they were dispatched.

 

I'll wait to look at the FULL autopsy.

 

It means you are talking about something you can't back up.

 

I don't think anyone disagrees with that.

 

It actually shows how UNJUST the Justice System is when it comes to black folks.

Everybody from NC to CA has heard about this case.

What is so "Sure" about it?

The police shooting that killed 42-year-old Michael Ramos in April will be presented to a grand jury, Travis County District Attorney Margaret Moore said Friday.

 

Are the media and the protestors completely innocent:

 

That's likely why a lesser offense was also charged: second-degree manslaughter. This homicide charge involves “culpable negligence creating an unreasonable risk” of serious bodily harm, and carries a maximum sentence of ten years’ imprisonment. Office Dumb Mthrfkr Mouth-breather should be good for the homicide charge. The murder case is tougher for prosecutors if there is doubt about whether Shitforbrains Chauvin’s unorthodox and unnecessary pressure on Floyd’s neck caused him to die. If the neck pressure instead just contributed to the stress of the situation that triggered death because of unusual underlying medical problems, it becomes a harder murder prosecution.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/05/what-we-do-and-dont-know-now-about-george-floyds-death/

The manslaughter charge requires only findings that Dumb Mthrfkr Chauvin acted negligently, rather than with depraved indifference to human life, and that his negligence both created an unreasonable risk and contributed in some way to death. Though frankly I find the idea pretty repulsive in the heat of the moment, a jury could find that the manslaughter offense — a homicide charge — better fits the facts of the case than murder.

What evidence do you have of that? Floyd was uncooperative at some moments but I do see anything to suggest that he attacked the police or that they were in real danger at any time. He may have inconvenienced and frustrated them, but, there is no indication that he was any threat to police during the critical last eight minutes, as Chauvin and two other officers, Thomas Lane and J. A. Kueng, held him down.

 

And was handled with unspeakable brutality, dying cuffed, face down in the street while a police officer was unnecessarily kneeling on his neck for several minutes.

The complaint summarizes the excruciating eight minutes between 8:19:38 and 8:27:24, when Shitforbrains Chauvin finally removed his knee from Floyd’s neck — nearly two minutes after Floyd had not only ceased to breathe or speak, but ceased to have a pulse (according to Kueng, who checked for one at 8:25:31). In the minutes leading up to that point, Floyd had pleaded with the police to recognize that he could not breathe, and called out “please” and “mama” – a poignant plea, for Floyd’s mother passed away two years ago.

There is a big difference between resisting by refusing to cooperate physically in being taken into custody, and resisting by menacing the police and putting them in fear of harm. In the moments leading up to Floyd’s death, there may have been plenty of the former, but he did not hurt or threaten the cops.

Even if the defense argument against depraved murder were to gain traction, one could easily see a jury convicting this rotten sonfabitch Chauvin of manslaughter for creating an unreasonable risk.

 

Why should I have to do his leg work, what the ME has released is widely available and has been cited here several times, his and your job to keep up and not demand others do so for you for lack of a rebuttal.

 

They didn't increase his risk for a cardiac event, he did when he struggled with them and that even appears to have started before the officers were on top of him. They didn't create that situation and remember the ME says there was no strangulation or asphyxiation which is what they would have been doing to cause his death. How can they be held responsible for the cardiac event? YES had Floyd not died they should still have been charged with crimes and face jail time for the abuse they did put him through. Negligent homicide maybe for not reacting to his distress as they should have.

 

Do you have proof that nobody else has? I'd like to see your source that he was anything other than an unlucky citizen who was given a fake $20 bill in error. He may have known, but that's why we need trials, don't we?

 

From your link, here's what the guy that posted the video says about it.

“It’s all coming together. Police were in the car beating the s–t out of George Floyd,” King insisted of the clip.

“One stands watch, while the others attacked him.”

 

This isn't a difference in semantics. Preliminary findings and the charging documents are two different things. And FYI, "traumatic asphyxia" is not the same thing as "asphyxia". I noticed you seem to be conflating those terms as well.

 

In that video Thou seems to look up and directly at the security camera.

 

~ The more I see of this case the more concern I have about the "tactics" used. There is always one or two cops standing around with hands in pockets observing. Does not look good for the PD.

~ I hope that you are incorrect . Where I live in Los Angeles there are police officers ' comments on Next Door website - all are disgusted by this "arrest ".

 

That finding has already been released by the ME, you are saying he is lying, you expect it to be found he is lying? Knowing that there will be a second autopsy and other reviews of the autopsy why would he risk his career over it? Does that make reasonable sense?

 

The complaint leaves some holes in key places, we likely will all learn more in the coming days.

The manslaughter charge requires only findings that Chauvin acted negligently, and that his negligence both created an unreasonable risk and contributed in some way to death.

So what? The police NEVER create the situations they respond to, but once they begin to exercise their authority they have a responsibility to conduct themselves in a manner consistent with a reasonable person acting prudently. There was nothing reasonable nor prudent about the way Officer Dmbfck and the four idiots with him, handled this. And as they represent lawful society, they gave all of us a black eye.

If that holds up, it undermines the murder charge, however, is unnecessary for the manslaughter charge.

Oh, they are going for a bit more than "indifference" try "depraved-indifference" for this rotten excuse of a human being.

Hennepin County prosecutors have charged Chauvin with third-degree depraved-indifference homicide. This homicide charge involves “culpable negligence creating an unreasonable risk” of serious bodily harm, and carries a maximum sentence of ten years’ imprisonment.

 

Yes, Chauvin was told that they couldn't find a pulse and he kept the knee on him. Chauvin was directing the whole time even ignoring an officer's concern.

That to me indicates murder 2 can be a charge added before trial.

 

No signs. He was in cardiac distress before he hit the ground. He was breathing, it was his heart that was not pumping. How are the officers responsible for that?

 

~ If true that would indeed be homicide . Chauvin sounds more like a bully with each revelation .

 

No. The ME preliminary findings have not been released publicly. The arrest document is what you are referring to INCORRECTLY. Why you are tripling down on this misstatement is a complete mystery.