Black man dies after video shows officer kneeling on neck

Why are you ignoring the ME findings? Why are you citings things you don't know like how much weight if any the other officers were exerting on him? That they are racist. Chauvin's hands are not in his pocket he is wearing black gloves.
Try dealing with the facts and the evidence.

 

Why do you keep leaving this part out?

The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.

 

Chauvin and Tao arrive at 8:17 and go to the car to help assist, Floyd is still in the car, the first call for EMT is at 8:21
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/31/us/george-floyd-investigation.html

 

Yes there was a physical struggle and it caused the cardiac event. Again if an officer chases a suspect who dies while running due to a cardiac event that chase contributed to his death. Does that make the officer culpable? The officers here did not cause the cardiac event and he was not killed by strangulation or asphyxiation. How are they culpable for the cardiac event? Without the cardiac event it is reasonable to assume he would still be alive, reasonable doubt they ACTUALLY killed him. And they will get that reasonable doubt in court if the jury does it's job.
Negligent homicide, maybe. The physical abuse, jail time. Murder...................that's not the slamdunk everyone was claiming.

 

It's from Floyd's own words, he was complaining of shortness of breath before he is on the ground. He died from a cardiac issue not respiratory. And the report states clearly there was no evidence of strangulation or asphyxiation which you leave out.

 

His complaints of shortness of breath while he is still breathing.

"If you have chest pain or unexplained shortness of breath, and especially if you have risk factors for heart disease such as high blood pressure, high cholesterol, diabetes, a history of tobacco use, obesity, a sedentary lifestyle, or a family history of heart disease, don't ignore your symptoms," urges Dr. Randall Zusman, a cardiologist with Harvard-affiliated Massachusetts General Hospital.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/heart-health/dont-ignore-signs-of-sudden-cardiac-arrest

 

Would you agree that we could look at officer training procedures, particularly those which are intended to cut off blood flow and make the person unconscious, and perhaps try to find a less potentially lethal way to restrain someone who is resisting arrest? Or, do you think that collateral damage of dozens of deaths per year from use of carotid restraint is acceptable? Or...other?

 

He was repeating "I can't breathe." We still can't see what happened inside the police car. Are you sure they didn't have him in a carotid restraint around his neck while he was saying that? If so, can you point to why you are so certain.

 

the ME report specifically says the cops actions contributed to his death. That is murder 3

 

If he hadn't tried to pass the counterfeit money there would have been no police encounter, you need proof of that?

 

And if the prosecution can confirm that more charges against the police. And yes sometimes in these cases the by-standers "they were beating" is simple the police lawfully arresting a resisting suspect.

As I have said over and over, this is not the slamdunk everyone thought it would be as far as a murder charge.

 

Absolutely and the officers should have been charged with that even if Floyd had survived. How many times do I have to repeat that.

But you can't ignore what we know from the ME so far.

But the resisting was physical and he went into cardiac distress during it and that is apparently what caused his death.

I think the defense will concede to the mistreatment, they can't get around it. It's the did the officers CAUSE his death or was he already a dead man before he hit the ground and was not going to survive the cardiac event. It has to be proved beyond a reasonable doubt the officers CAUSED Floyd's death. If they did not then justice dictates they cannot be convicted of it.

 

Can you prove beyond a reasonable doubt they did and that is what caused his death?

 

Hey I wish we had the Star Trek phasers that could be set to stun. I know of NO training that trains in cutting off blood flow. And you have no proof that dozens of deaths are caused per year because of purposeful carotid restraint. If an officer does so, fire him. If THAT kills someone and it was done so with purpose, charge them with a crime.

 

What are you talking about? That which you attribute to me I have not said.

 

I knew you'd walk it back. Got your hand caught in cookie jar, yes?

 

For the manslaughter charge, it looks to me like it only needed to contribute to his death.

 

Walk what back?
Either you are confusing me with somebody else or you are posting like a nincompoop.
I think you will find that the correct word is biscuit not cookie, yes?

 

You used a Trumpism to imply he’s responsible for the ANTIFA insurrection. So, I queried, “Rhetorical or an observation”, as in a shot at Trump’s MAGA, or noting that riots are not good for business?

So.....?

 

Have a lie down. You are confusing me with somebody else.
I have not linked Trump with any anti fascist phenomena, nor have I commented on commerce.
As you seem so excited by this, perhaps you would be well served by asking yourself what on earth you're talking about.

 

Hmmm?

Again, rhetorical or observational, as in, as shot at Trumpism "MAGA", or just an observation that riots are not good for liberty, individual rights, property rights, prosperity, justice, morality, and happiness? Or perhaps you're thinking the unthinkable, riots are good and are what makes America great?

 

When your victim is pleading for help, and you refuse to listen for 8 minutes until you made sure you just finished him off ... than you aint following police procedure one bit and we know we're dealing with a racist.

We have a VERY CLEAR idea what is going on. It's all on tape. We saw what they did. Your idea that we should remain an open mind for the total wall of lies these cops can come up with, shows you're just trolling around in defense of a lynch mob with badges. Let's just be frank about this all....

Statics show that racism is profoundly there in the US justice department. And so these thugs are just men of their time, just like you're a person of your time.

The Jim Crow laws have been removed, but the racist culture is still present in the US justice department / US police force. Your idea that the twink around procedures is a joke. You don't change a culture with that. And so far you refuse to accept that racism is a real problem in the US justice department.

 

1. Correct

2. And no, no one did that, they just restrained him in an authorised manner, the officer had no intention of hurting him, why would he?

 

Don't be absurd, why would he?

 

No, I was thinking that observing what is happening from abroad, is this stuff supposed to be making America great?
If all the riots and violence (including violence by the authorities) we are seeing on our screens is America being great then the irony is about the American definition of greatness.
A lot of people would not regard what we are seeing as particularly great.
As for the allusion you choose to make to Trump, I think you'll find the entire slogan is 'make America great again'.